Most Annoying Things In Gaming

[dsheinem]

I like game culture in general, but there's so much complaining, entitlement, etc. that it becomes grating.

You forgot the blue text.

not in the least.

I am probably more sensitive to it right now becasue, you know what?

-I thought the ending of Mass Effect 3 was fine
-I enjoyed the hell out of Diablo III, and the online requirement didn't bother me in the least
-I have no qualms purchasing digital copies of games that I could have purchased in physical format for the same machine
-On disc DLC strikes me as smart business, not irresponsible customer/fan rape

I could go on, but I am increasingly irritated by the people insisting the industry is stagnant, doomed, declining or that games are getting worse, companies are being unreasonably greedy, fans should have more input in game development, etc. I am not saying no critiques can/should be made or that there is no merit to any part of any of these arguments, but the superficial/facile extra-whiny knee-jerk character of much of online gamer discourse is extremely off-putting and abrasive.

[BoringSupreez]

I like game culture in general, but there's so much complaining, entitlement, etc. that it becomes grating.

You forgot the blue text.

You forgot the blue text. He's absolutely right.

[o.pwuaioc]

-I thought the ending of Mass Effect 3 was fine

That doesn't make it fine.

-I enjoyed the hell out of Diablo III, and the online requirement didn't bother me in the least

So?

-I have no qualms purchasing digital copies of games that I could have purchased in physical format for the same machine

So?

-On disc DLC strikes me as smart business, not irresponsible customer/fan rape

The two aren't mutually exclusive.

I could go on, but I am increasingly irritated by the people insisting the industry is stagnant, doomed, declining or that games are getting worse, companies are being unreasonably greedy, fans should have more input in game development, etc.

It's rather irritating that people take subjective opinions and try to argue them as objective ones. By all means, why do you care so much if people think the industry is stagnant? Such a term is not objective, you can't measure creativity, nor whether something is "good" or "bad" to the taste. So why argue? People are venting against companies, and you in turn are complaining about people - which is fine, but it's entirely off-topic. Take your complaints about people complaining about games to billion other threads where you've made the exact same complaints over and over.

And you complain about CRTGAMER repeating himself too much.

[wclem]

Thread shitting is irritating too....gotta love people who complain about threads or other peoples ideas.

[dsheinem]

I think we're several layers of irony deep now.

[BoringSupreez]

At least we managed to get through most of five pages before it inevitably fell apart.

[Menegrothx]

I could go on, but I am increasingly irritated by the people insisting the industry is stagnant, doomed, declining or that games are getting worse, companies are being unreasonably greedy, fans should have more input in game development, etc. I am not saying no critiques can/should be made or that there is no merit to any part of any of these arguments, but the superficial/facile extra-whiny knee-jerk character of much of online gamer discourse is extremely off-putting and abrasive.

So people who grew up in a totally different gaming world arent allowed to state their dissatisfaction for current state of affairs? If you love 1980s pop music, it means you must love current pop music also? If you're a hardcore communist, you shouldn't have any problem when nazis or hardcore libertarians get elected? What kind of messed up logic is that? Of course people are going to whine, protest and criticize if the thing that they love (whether it's music, movies, fashion, games or culture in general) changes and becomes totally unrecognizable for them. It ceases to be the thing they love and turns in to something else that some other people/audience/target group loves. It's a personal preference thing.

[dsheinem]

It's rather irritating that people take subjective opinions and try to argue them as objective ones.

I agree. My chief complaint isn't so much with the arguments themselves that people make as it is with the whiny and non-substantive way in which they make those arguments. The additional layer of annoyance for me is when certain arguments, becasue they engender so MUCH whining, are seen as valid via ad populum and counter arguments are dismissed or left unengaged.

By all means, why do you care so much if people think the industry is stagnant? Such a term is not objective, you can't measure creativity, nor whether something is "good" or "bad" to the taste. So why argue?

I don't especially care, but when people make bad arguments that the industry is stagnant and then can't support that claim or explain it with good examples and evidence, I get annoyed (which is what this thread is about). A classic example would be someone arguing that "everything is a big budget FPS nowadays, the industry is so stagnant" despite the fact that numbers show that the percentage of total games released/total games sold which are FPSs is relatively small, that there is demonstrably more awareness and access to innovative titles across a wider variety of genres by indie developers and big studios, etc. So I suppose my "most annoying thing in gaming" is actually "whining that isn't substantiated OR that treats the subjective as objective". In either case, it is poor argumentation that irks me.

Take your complaints about people complaining about games to billion other threads where you've made the exact same complaints over and over.

And you complain about CRTGAMER repeating himself too much.

Actually I complain about him promoting his own threads all over the place, shoehorning links to them in threads where it doesn't make sense to do so, mini-modding, playing mod roulette, etc. None of that is about him repeating himself.

[dsheinem]

I could go on, but I am increasingly irritated by the people insisting the industry is stagnant, doomed, declining or that games are getting worse, companies are being unreasonably greedy, fans should have more input in game development, etc. I am not saying no critiques can/should be made or that there is no merit to any part of any of these arguments, but the superficial/facile extra-whiny knee-jerk character of much of online gamer discourse is extremely off-putting and abrasive.

So people who grew up in a totally different gaming world arent allowed to state their dissatisfaction for current state of affairs? If you love 1980s pop music, it means you must love current pop music also?...[snip political stuff]... It ceases to be the thing they love and turns in to something else that some other people/audience/target group loves. It's a personal preference thing.

I think my post above addresses this, at least in part. I have no problem with people stating their preferences, I do it all the time - but when they state them publicly in a forum meant to engender discussion they should also be able to explain their reasoning and, yes, to engage with people who see things differently on the finer points of the object in question.

[o.pwuaioc]

At least we managed to get through most of five pages before it inevitably fell apart.

Thanks to Dave and his thread hijacking.