How is Quake on the Saturn?

[Damm64]

Wait for it, guys. I'm about to demonstrate how to hold an N64 controller.
I know, it sounds crazy, but it can be done!

Method #1 (The lesser used method)

This method allows you to use the D-pad and the A, B, and C Buttons!



Method #2 (using the joystick)

This method allows you to use the joystick and the Z, A, B, C and R buttons with ease! (who cares about the L button?)




Contrary to popular belief, when you want to switch from method #1 to method #2, all you have to do is move your left hand to the right about an inch, and voila!!!

This has been how to use an N64 controller 101 with harper. Thank you, come again.

But seriously, what's so fucking hard about it?

Yeah i never understand the hate for the N64 controller, yeah it's a bit weird but all the games for the system works perfect on it (excep for fighters the C buttons are to small).

The hard part is to use one of these

I have one like and it's my most used controller to play

I allways find a few games on each system that i wanna try, i have enough love for all the systems

[BurningDoom]

How the hell do you use the d-pad on that Hori controller? I mean, I know next to no games on the N64 really made use of the d-pad, and there was hardly any decent fighters

The same thing could be said for the normal N64 controller.

Wait for it, guys. I'm about to demonstrate how to hold an N64 controller.
I know, it sounds crazy, but it can be done!

Method #1 (The lesser used method)

This method allows you to use the D-pad and the A, B, and C Buttons!



Method #2 (using the joystick)

This method allows you to use the joystick and the Z, A, B, C and R buttons with ease! (who cares about the L button?)




Contrary to popular belief, when you want to switch from method #1 to method #2, all you have to do is move your left hand to the right about an inch, and voila!!!

This has been how to use an N64 controller 101 with harper. Thank you, come again.

But seriously, what's so fucking hard about it?

I don't see how, in either "method" you have convenient access to all the buttons without losing access to either the thumbstick or d-pad.. You don't. And that's why it's awkward and frustrating to a lot of us. That and the thumbstick sucks anyways.

On a PS1/PS2 controller, Gamecube, XBox, or Dreamcast controllers you have a d-pad and a thumbstick and you have easy, comfortable access to both.

[harper]

I don't see how, in either "method" you have convenient access to all the buttons without losing access to either the thumbstick or d-pad.. You don't. And that's why it's awkward and frustrating to a lot of us.

On a PS1/PS2 controller, Gamecube, XBox, or Dreamcast controllers you have a d-pad and a thumbstick and you have easy, comfortable access to both.

I don't know of any N64 games that require a) the use of every single button, or b) the use of both the d-pad and joystick.

[Jrecee]

I don't get it either. Every game I've played uses one or the other. So why would you need to reach the d-pad while holding it analog style?

If anything, the gamecube deserves more hate, because there were several games that made use of that shitty little D-pad.

[DinnerX]

No game needs access to two methods of primary control simultaneously. Sometimes, I do like to use the D-Pad for menus, but I just move over if I decide want to use it. The L or Z button is unreachable, but game just use whichever button would be convenient.

I don't get it either. Every game I've played uses one or the other. So why would you need to reach the d-pad while holding it analog style?

If anything, the gamecube deserves more hate, because there were several games that made use of that shitty little D-pad.

I never could use that thing effectively.

EDIT:The n64 controller does have a low quality analog stick and the c-buttons are smallish. I just prefer the general trident design to other controllers. I make no claims about the actual build quality.

[harper]

A quote from an N64 video game manual:

"When playing Star Wars: Episode 1: Racer, we recommend that you hold the controller in the position shown at right. This lets you operate the Control Stick with your thumb to control the direction of your Podracer. You can also easily reach the A, B, and C Buttons with your right thumb, and reach the Z Button with your left index finger."

The image they were referring to:


Just thought I'd share that. See, they're not trying to make you play twister with your fingers. Each game's control scheme is designed a certain way, arcade-like games tend to use the D-pad (or both) and 3D platformers and such use the joystick, but either way, the buttons you need to be able to access are reachable in a comfortable way. As long as you're not holding the controller the way that BurningDoom is apparently.


But yeah, for the record, I'm not sticking up for the original crappy N64 joystick either, just the comfort and non-awkwardness of the controller itself. I've heard so many people here complain about it and I've never understood it.

[BurningDoom]

Okay, it's not awkward for some of you, I have no problem being able see that especially if you grew up with it. But to say you just don't understand how it's not awkward for others, come on. You've got to be in denial if you don't see it. There is no other controller out there that resembles the N64 controller and you don't hold any other controller the way you do an N64, and then there's that incredibly crappy thumbstick to make matter worse.

[Jrecee]

Okay, it's not awkward for some of you, I have no problem being able see that especially if you grew up with it. But to say you just don't understand how it's not awkward for others, come on. You've got to be in denial if you don't see it. There is no other controller out there that resembles the N64 controller and you don't hold any other controller the way you do an N64, and then there's that incredibly crappy thumbstick to make matter worse.

Well. . . I must be in denial, I don't see the problem. The issue you mentioned was not being able to reach all the buttons at once, which we've established is never necessary. Beyond that, the only issue I can see is that it's different, but I don't really understand how that makes it awkward. I guess if you have really large hands, it could be hard to hold the middle segment without bumping your fingers into the left segment? That's really the only issue I can think of, otherwise it's pretty much just a regular controller with an extra piece that sticks out.

[Xeogred]

All I can say is that the N64 and GC controllers are some of my least favorites, but it never prevented me from playing any games. Not a big deal.

[DinnerX]

I don't see what is especially awkward about the controller. I see it has a nonstandard design, but that doesn't make it bad. When I first got the system, I was initially a bit befuddled about how I needed to hold the controller. I didn't really play the N64 in its day. I can think of three times I played with a N64 until I bought one for myself two years ago. After I figured out how the controller worked I saw no problem with it, and actually found it advantageous to the standard design.

@Jrecee

My hands dwarf the oxbox duke controller. My left hand doesn't fit well between the left and middle handle on the N64 controller. My hand scrapes against the left handle when I hold the middle part of the controller. I don't really have an issue with my hands bumping together though.

I still find many other controllers to be much more irritating to use with large hands.