The Industry Needs a Crash

[dsheinem]

I wan't even making an "argument", just me thinking out loud on the forums.

The thread title is most certainly a claim, and you most certainly did not follow it up with defensible or well articulated support. Instead, you made spurious statements and generally offered a lot of nonsense. The topic itself may have merit, but you did nothing in your initial post to suggest as much.

I now see why you are a Former Moderator. You're just a jerk.

I am a jerk from time to time, but that had nothing to do with me stepping down from being a mod. And I'm not being a jerk here, I am trying to improve the level of discussion on the forum and make people think twice before posting gibberish.

I don't see why your are going out of your way to criticize my post instead of contributing to this forum topic.

"He could not change them until he became as one of them."

[dsheinem]

dsh isn't being a jerk. He just wants a well-formed argument.

"The industry needs to crash." Quite a statement. Back it up with logical reasoning and explain why it needs to crash.

What are the pros and cons? A lot of people would lose jobs; what would happen to them? Et cetera.

^ also, this.

[Zing]

What you suggest is not an "industry crash". If it were, then no independent publishers would be able to survive. What you are suggesting is a change in the ideals and incentives of the existing publishers. What we really want is for publishers to realize the true cause of any slowdown in sales and realign their output with our desires.

[pankakes123]

What you suggest is not an "industry crash". If it were, then no independent publishers would be able to survive. What you are suggesting is a change in the ideals and incentives of the existing publishers. What we really want is for publishers to realize the true cause of any slowdown in sales and realign their output with our desires.

I realize the topic is extremely far fetched, but its just a point I wanted to make.

[flex wood]

I can't wait for the government to bail out activision.

[ATARI800XLfan]

This conversation comes up in almost every topic on the industry that we have, so honestly it's fair to give it its own topic. Lack of effort in the OP notwithstanding.

Regardless, it's both a nice thought and a scary thought.

The market is swelling up with shovelware, sequels and the like, but my concern is that instead of a proper market crash, video games will wind up where Hollywood is.

Which is a big pile of mediocrity, sequels, over-production, "talent" that is less talented and more eye candy (this has been the case with the female acting pool in Hollywood for ages- but as most of the older male actors slow down in their production, the younger male talent is going the way of looks over ability as well). Instead of a legitimate crash, we might just get stagnation and a slow rot.

That being said, the indie games industry is booming with creativity. It might simply be a matter of time before those developers come in to their own (assuming they don't all just get bought up by EA) and start to go head to head with larger companies.

Dreams of SEGA releasing a new console are just that, though: dreams. The company is flailing right now, after a huge loss last year they have stated that they're only focusing on their main properties now, which means more over-produced Sonic crap is all we're really likely to see out of them in the coming years.

On the other hand, a proper crash might come in the next few years. It really depends on how the new XBOX and the Wii-U fare. Every time there's a crash, the industry comes back a few years later after remarkable change.

The PC gaming industry also is virtually crash-proof, and that's where most of the new indie production houses are really showing off their stuff.

It's entirely possible that a crash at this point will simply consolidate console and PC gaming. Maybe tablet/cell phone games will finally get their chance to take over the industry (god I hope not).

For one things the last few Sonic games were good and well made, so I do not see where is sonic crap is coming from.

[nightrnr]

I'm so far behind the times that I'm not sure I'd even miss new games being made. I've got enough to keep me busy for a few lifetimes, I think. And I wonder who among us has truly exhausted, or even dented what we have available to us.

Anyways, I think the OP/TC just looks at the Renaissance that came after the 1st so called crash in the 80s and wonders what a 2nd renaissance would be like now or in the near future.

For the record (as if anyone cares) I disagree with dsheinem. I think this is a topic worthy of friendly comments.
The TC just doesn't give lot of reasoning for how he feels.
So what!?!
He wants to know who else feels that way too and what other people think. Heck, maybe he doesn't even know all the reasons behind his sentiments and is searching for them.

[dsheinem]

He wants to know who else feels that way too and what other people think. Heck, maybe he doesn't even know all the reasons behind his sentiments and is searching for them.

Then he should have titled the thread "Does the Game Industry Need a Crash?" instead of making it a declarative statement.

[jay_red]

I dont know about a full on crash, but with the direction consoles are heading, and the current crop of games, it makes me glad I got in touch with my retro roots, like nightrnr stated, I have been opened to more games than I could ever hope to play. That being said, I will always want to also try and keep up with current games, and for the first time, I think I am going to pass on the next generation of consoles (except for maybe the Wii U) and go PC only for new games, since I have a PC now that should be able to handle the latest games for some time to come.

[nightrnr]

He wants to know who else feels that way too and what other people think. Heck, maybe he doesn't even know all the reasons behind his sentiments and is searching for them.

Then he should have titled the thread "Does the Game Industry Need a Crash?" instead of making it a declarative statement.

A nitpicky detail, IMO. We're not all perfect.
But you da' MOD.

It's a fair suggestion though. TC should change it.

...for the first time, I think I am going to pass on the next generation of consoles (except for maybe the Wii U) and go PC only for new games, since I have a PC now that should be able to handle the latest games for some time to come.

You know, game consoles have become more and more like PCs anyways (they basically ARE PCs but lack the user freedom of one). I think you may as well... unless motion control games are important to you.
I think that's the route I'm going when I finally get to Skyrim, The Witcher 2, and several others (next complete PC replacement).