The problem with politics is political ideologies. Rather than doing decisions on a pragmatic and scientific basis, people want to label themselves with names like "conservative" and "liberal" and follow a certain dogma.Johnodog wrote: they pretty much parrot the liberal talking points of no wars( never realizing that sometimes you don't have a choice) and pro environment( as if everyone else is pro pollution ) etc.
As they get older they will realize that both sides are corrupt and both sides start wars and both sides use oil and both sides lie about the other sides' intentions. Its all a game to distract from the truth that both sides are owned by corporations.
Quite many pro environmentalists oppose limiting and controlling immigration and see no logical flaw in that.
Because it's a shitty way to control population and even shittier way to protect the environment. Do you think that the Jungles of Vietnam got less polluted when U.S military dropped millions of gallons of Agent Orange into them? The chemicals and bombs dropped back in the 1960s still have an effect on SE Asia. Polluted farmlands, babies being born as sick with birth defects because of the chemicals and people dying to mines and bombs that are buried in the jungle.ninjainspandex wrote:No one answered my question of why enviromentalists are almost always anti wari really cant think of a better form of population control.
The more stable the society and economy is, the more people have time and resources to care about more than just their own personal safety. If you look at any war ridden third world country, they are far from being some sort of natural paradise. I could get more into detail but it's just easier to summarize it like this: when you live in a country that is actively fighting a war (I'm not talking about sending men to Iraq or Afghanistan, I'm talking bombing cities, urban warfare etc. Picture what it was like to live in an European city during WW2), everything but surviving another day is absolutely irrelevant.
Would you rather live in a war zone? Thought so.

