Most HDTVs play just fine with SD signals. It wont be as pretty as the CRT, but it's usually fine. Very few TVs actually have issues.kingmohd84 wrote:I dunno, my 360 looks crisp and beautiful, plus its a Sony not a cheap brand. Even more, its one of the last CRTs made . I bought it like in 2004 before the flat panel craze started. Its not like from 1995.
From my experience, cheap CRT's will die quickly but good quality ones last a life time. We all have seen TV's from the 70's working OK!
Personally, I have been looking for an excuse to buy an HDTV but What would i hook the retro consoles to? particularly I am mostly concerned about the 64 as I emulate about everything else. I hear retro consoles and HDTV don't play well, and I DO NOT want to have 2 TV setups. I just don't have the space.
CRT issue, what is it happening?
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My HDTV hates my Genesis. The picture jumps around like crazy for the first minute or so before everything stabilizes. Aggravating, since I don't have the room to have my CRT set up at the same time.RyaNtheSlayA wrote:Most HDTVs play just fine with SD signals. It wont be as pretty as the CRT, but it's usually fine. Very few TVs actually have issues.kingmohd84 wrote:I dunno, my 360 looks crisp and beautiful, plus its a Sony not a cheap brand. Even more, its one of the last CRTs made . I bought it like in 2004 before the flat panel craze started. Its not like from 1995.
From my experience, cheap CRT's will die quickly but good quality ones last a life time. We all have seen TV's from the 70's working OK!
Personally, I have been looking for an excuse to buy an HDTV but What would i hook the retro consoles to? particularly I am mostly concerned about the 64 as I emulate about everything else. I hear retro consoles and HDTV don't play well, and I DO NOT want to have 2 TV setups. I just don't have the space.
prfsnl_gmr wrote:There is nothing feigned about it. What I wrote is a display of actual moral superiority.
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I've never understood the "retro stuff looks like crap on my HDTV" argument ... they all look find on mine :\ Maybe there's only issues with specific televisions.
Also, digital flat tube TVs (which it appears you have) are generally more complicated, more things can go wrong. (The TV I have is from 2004 also ... and Samsung was a division of Sony at the time) There's more circuits to consider and then there's the "show room" effect, which means the voltages are usually too high, because they result in much better colors. Which is great, to get you to purchase it, but not so good for longevity.
The majority of Tube TV issues can be fixed ... it's just a dangerous (deadly amount of currents) machine to tinker with. But, I have seen entire forums around salvaging tube tvs.
Also, to be clear ... manufacturer name doesn't necessarily determine whether or not the device is built cheaply or not. Sony has a long history of overcharging for their TVs considering what's inside. You're usually paying for their name, not the quality (Not that they're usually bad TVs, just compared to similar quality TVs are very expensive).
Also, digital flat tube TVs (which it appears you have) are generally more complicated, more things can go wrong. (The TV I have is from 2004 also ... and Samsung was a division of Sony at the time) There's more circuits to consider and then there's the "show room" effect, which means the voltages are usually too high, because they result in much better colors. Which is great, to get you to purchase it, but not so good for longevity.
The majority of Tube TV issues can be fixed ... it's just a dangerous (deadly amount of currents) machine to tinker with. But, I have seen entire forums around salvaging tube tvs.
Also, to be clear ... manufacturer name doesn't necessarily determine whether or not the device is built cheaply or not. Sony has a long history of overcharging for their TVs considering what's inside. You're usually paying for their name, not the quality (Not that they're usually bad TVs, just compared to similar quality TVs are very expensive).
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It's not that they look completely terrible. It's just that it'll look better on a CRT.Cronozilla wrote:I've never understood the "retro stuff looks like crap on my HDTV" argument ... they all look find on mine :\ Maybe there's only issues with specific televisions.
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But, that's because CRTs are blurry and the contrast is really high.
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Wrong. Have you hooked a console up a good CRT with a console via s-video? It's definitely not blurry, I can tell you that much. Contrast depends on the TV.Cronozilla wrote:But, that's because CRTs are blurry and the contrast is really high.
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Yea, I won't play anything pre-Dreamcast on a HDTV. Even then, only the PS3, 360, and PC look better on a HDTV. Wii, PS2, Dreamcast all look pretty good but would look better on CRT. Anything below that kinda looks like crap on my HDTV especially with the lack of component/VGA output.
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What are you talking about it's still blurrier than what's on an HDTV even through the same connection. Just because you can see something well or read text or whatever doesn't mean the image isn't more blurry than on another device.
PS2 on an HD display with progressive scan actually looks alright. Especially if you play one of the very few 1080i games.
The issue I think most people have when using older consoles on an HDTV is the scaling the TV uses. It can either make some things look weird (depending on the TV and display type) or it'll show imperfections you never saw before.
PS2 on an HD display with progressive scan actually looks alright. Especially if you play one of the very few 1080i games.
The issue I think most people have when using older consoles on an HDTV is the scaling the TV uses. It can either make some things look weird (depending on the TV and display type) or it'll show imperfections you never saw before.
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People say Sony charges a lot for same quality . Sony is more expensive, yes, but I never had an issue with a Sony product. Even consoles while some may get issues, what do you think will happen when you ship 250 million units of a product that is usually always on the edge of technology(CD console game-psx, DVD player-ps2, bluray-HDD-HD console-ps3).
As for retro gaming on HDTV, I heard horrible stories. Stuff like spirits looking weird with scan lines, and slow in response(button to screen), jitters. basically unplayable. when I say retro I mean component and older technology consoles.
As for retro gaming on HDTV, I heard horrible stories. Stuff like spirits looking weird with scan lines, and slow in response(button to screen), jitters. basically unplayable. when I say retro I mean component and older technology consoles.
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It really depends on the set. Most of them have a game mode, also, which turns off just about all pre-processing to the image. There's still time taken to scale it to the panel's resolution, though.
Samsung's TVs, overall, are usually about the same in the quality department and look either the same or better, and they're significantly cheaper. And Sony doesn't put bleeding edge technology inside their TVs. Most all consumer grade televisions are pretty behind the times. It's not like they're pioneering 4K displays or pushing out OLED yet and that's why it costs more. In their TVs it's the same technology with a more expensive price tag.
To note, the issue I described with my old CRT was a technician issue, not a hardware one.
I wouldn't make the argument if they were only, you know, $50-$100 more to similar models, but they're not, they're like $200-$500 more if you want similar specs.
I'm not arguing, you know, go out and put all your stuff on the HDTV. I'm just saying, it'd be silly NOT to get an HDTV if retro consoles are the only thing holding you back. Just do some research on the panels that have the best options for such a thing. (usually means you can turn crap off)
Samsung's TVs, overall, are usually about the same in the quality department and look either the same or better, and they're significantly cheaper. And Sony doesn't put bleeding edge technology inside their TVs. Most all consumer grade televisions are pretty behind the times. It's not like they're pioneering 4K displays or pushing out OLED yet and that's why it costs more. In their TVs it's the same technology with a more expensive price tag.
To note, the issue I described with my old CRT was a technician issue, not a hardware one.
I wouldn't make the argument if they were only, you know, $50-$100 more to similar models, but they're not, they're like $200-$500 more if you want similar specs.
I'm not arguing, you know, go out and put all your stuff on the HDTV. I'm just saying, it'd be silly NOT to get an HDTV if retro consoles are the only thing holding you back. Just do some research on the panels that have the best options for such a thing. (usually means you can turn crap off)