Do you feel bad about buying new(ish) releases used?

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MrPopo wrote:GoG doesn't use a service, so you can easily back up the installers you download and can use them on every computer.

Well , thats a new way I never heard off before, getting the install files to keep. I guess yes that is owning the game. I wonder how a small company can force the publishers to let them do this . Publishers are usually against this kind of drm free stuff
GOG is up front about the fact that they are a strictly DRM-Free service. They won't sell a publisher's game unless it is DRM-Free. Because they deal in older games primarily, publishers are open to the idea. Most older games are already cracked and being pirated, so why not sell something DRM-Free? GOG's main point is that by keeping DRM in these older games, you are actually making it so that pirates have the superior product. Not only is it free, but it doesn't require online checks, CD Keys, or any such nonsense. GOG wants to provide a service better than the pirates since they consider file sharing and abandonware to be their main competitors. They provide a better service by removing DRM, updating files to work on modern operating systems, and including lost of bonus goodies like artwork, soundtracks, manuals, maps, avatars, dlc, etc. I have even purchased games on GOG that I already own simply because they run better and are easily backed up.

Even companies notorious for their DRM like Ubisoft have seen the logic of this, at least as it applies to older games. GOG is now trying to transition to carrying new titles, and aside from the Witcher 2 (which was created by people involved in GOG), there haven't been any major new releases there (there are some great indie games, but nothing from the big publishers). It will be interesting in the coming years to see if the DRM-Free model will also work for new release titles. I personally will choose GOG over any other digital download service for this reason.
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kingmohd84 wrote:
MrPopo wrote:GoG doesn't use a service, so you can easily back up the installers you download and can use them on every computer.

Well , thats a new way I never heard off before, getting the install files to keep. I guess yes that is owning the game. I wonder how a small company can force the publishers to let them do this . Publishers are usually against this kind of drm free stuff
GOG is up front about the fact that they are a strictly DRM-Free service. They won't sell your game unless it is DRM-Free. Because they deal in older games primarily, publishers are open to the idea. Their games are already cracked and being pirated, so why not sell something DRM-Free? GOG's main point is that by keeping DRM in these older games, you are actually making it so that pirates have the superior product. Not only is it free, but it doesn't require online checks, CD Keys, or any such nonsense. GOG wants to provide a service better than the pirates since they consider file sharing and abandonware to be their main competitors. They provide a better service by removing DRM, updating files to work on modern operating systems, and including lost of bonus goodies like artwork, soundtracks, manuals, maps, avatars, dlc, etc.

Even companies notorious for their DRM like Ubisoft have seen the logic of this, at least as it applies to older games. GOG is now trying to transition to carrying new titles, and aside from the Witcher 2 (which was created by people involved in GOG), there haven't been any major new releases there (there are some great indie games, but nothing from the big publishers). It will be interesting in the coming years to see if the DRM-Free model will also work for new release titles. I personally will choose GOG over any other digital download service for this reason.
Since many games are cracked in an extremely small amount of time, I don't see why the DRM-Free model wouldn't work for new releases.
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DinnerX wrote: Since many games are cracked in an extremely small amount of time, I don't see why the DRM-Free model wouldn't work for new releases.
In theory it can work and does work for new releases. But it is not a trivial generalisation of GOG's concept to apply it to new releases.

GOG games are priced much cheaper than "new releases" and they provide a service of making it easier to run. Therefore it is easier for GOG to be the "superior product" costing e.g. 5 to 10 USD, no DRM, extras, easy to run etc. when the pirate is free, no DRM, no extras, hard to run, hard to find and may have viruses.

For new stuff it would be 50 USD no DRM, extras versus the pirate's free with no extras, usually slightly harder to run / find and may have viruses. At least in PC terms.

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Well, does Steam have DRM?

btw, correct me if I am wrong. GOG is like Steam but for older games right?
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kingmohd84 wrote:Well, does Steam have DRM?

btw, correct me if I am wrong. GOG is like Steam but for older games right?
Steam is DRM. Any game bought on Steam has to be launched from Steam. You also have to be online to use Steam.

Thing is Steam offers services that you wouldn't get with a cracked copy like server management, self updating, friends, achievements, etc.
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Some Steam games are DRM-Free actually. You can copy them out of your games folder and run them independent of the Steam client. Some of the old iD releases will do this, as an example. However, most games are tied to your account, which is a form of DRM. Occassionally there are games that have an additional layer of DRM on top of that.
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RyaNtheSlayA wrote:
kingmohd84 wrote:Well, does Steam have DRM?

btw, correct me if I am wrong. GOG is like Steam but for older games right?
Steam is DRM. Any game bought on Steam has to be launched from Steam. You also have to be online to use Steam.

Thing is Steam offers services that you wouldn't get with a cracked copy like server management, self updating, friends, achievements, etc.
Mostly. Steam does have an offline mode for most games. You'll need to have connected at some point, but the verification tends to stay good if you happen to be offline. source

Steam is also a very convenient form of DRM compared to what the PC industry had gotten to. For example, some games were starting to pop up with authentication similar to what Windows uses, with a maximum number of installations allowed for a given serial number. Bioshock had that, for example, and Spore.
With Steam, games get registered to your account. You can freely install the Steam client on as many PCs (and Macs) as you like, have it download whatever games you want from your library, and play them. The typical restriction just tends to be that you can only log into one instance of Steam at a time (I think you can sorta cheat that if you leave some clients in Offline mode).

GoG isn't exactly like Steam as games aren't tied to their client (you can just use their website anyway). Titles from it have no DRM, and are always modified to run on current versions of Windows (usually via DOSBox).
Steam sticks to what the original publishers provide, I believe. Some older titles may be updated to work fine on modern systems, others may require a 3rd party patch to work or something, which you'll have to go find/install yourself.
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thank god I heard about this before I bought stuff off steam. I guess i will buy, but keep an eye out.

Personally I am starting to get this phobia of being connected to the internet. Everything must be connected to the internet to work which I hate. I feeling like we are being forced on connecting so they track us. I am kind of paranoid, but being connected to run software scares me. they say new xbox must be connected to internet to run games!!
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Anyone think the issues talked about in this thread have been a contributor to Capcom's recent troubles?
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Retrogamer0001 wrote:Anyone think the issues talked about in this thread have been a contributor to Capcom's recent troubles?
I think Capcom's problems arise from the sift from a game-making company to a big publisher. I don't see why used game sales would affect them more than, say, Konami.

And hey, if a company cannot deal with my consumer rights without going broke, perhaps they shouldn't be around. :lol:
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