Are consoles dead?

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Damm64 wrote:So... it begins again...
For what it's worth, and in case anyone didn't get it the first time around, that was exactly my point.

This type of argument has been around for years and never goes anywhere. I didn't believe it years ago, don't believe it now, and suspect we'll all be happily enjoying dedicated console (and portable) gaming for generations to come.
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Consoles dead? You're kidding, right? Handhelds, is the more likely candidate, with the rise of smart-phone gaming.
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BurningDoom wrote:Consoles dead? You're kidding, right? Handhelds, is the more likely candidate, with the rise of smart-phone gaming.
2 things: the NDS was the most successful handheld of all time, and

The 3DS is already on track to beat it.
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Nahhh, PCs are dead.

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I'd like to go 1 day without reading something about "is ____ dead?"
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These kinds of stories are becoming about as annoying as those 2012 Mayan apocalypse declarations.

A Serious response:
Obviously, the market for consoles isn't going anywhere. This last generation has put more consoles and handhelds in people's homes than ANY generation before. That doesn't sound like a decline to me. People who never played games before (and maybe don't own smart phones yet) have purchase current generation and last generation hardware.

Also, people who use these devices (us) are the ones who will dictate when they will go away. We obviously don't want them to go away, so I doubt they will. We let the manufacturer's know this by continuing to buy their consoles, pc hardware, handhelds, games, subscription services, etc.

Now, if some news company wants to stir the pot by saying their dying because multipurpose PHONES and tablets are selling more ... well, that's fine. I think people should just ignore their pot stirring and move on. However, if I were to respond to their claims, and the claims of MANY people, of "well, phones and tablets are already out pacing dedicated gaming platforms", my response would be, "NO SHIT".

There's a reason why phones sell better than handhelds ... They're Phones! Everyone needs a phone! The fact that the non-smart phone market has pretty much disappeared is the only reason why this even looks like anything. Is there a cross section of markets between handhelds, consoles, phones, and tablets? Yes. HOWEVER. The customer who goes out to buy a PS3 for Metal Gear Solid 4 is NOT the same customer that will go, "gee, I already have a tablet that plays Angry Birds and Infinity Blade ... do I really need a console too?", that person doesn't give a shit about games. That person is the average consumer. They are playing games on their phone right now, because those games happen to be "it".

The people who keep saying, mobile is the future, just HAPPEN to work in the mobile industry. Wow, how surprising. Of course phones and tablets will get better. But, it'll work more like a supplement, than a replacement. A person who would be considered a gamer, not a hobbyist, might own a tablet, will probably own a smart phone, but they will DEFINITELY own a primary gaming platform.

I think what will happen is more integration, not replacement. I tablet can't replace that at home experience of playing Uncharted 3. Even if it had wireless video transfer (communication standards aren't in place for it) to a TV ... it doesn't have the physicality required for most games. Touch screens are not a replacement for a Dual Shock.

And for where people get all this information, it's usually from analysts ... who are generally people who study markets abstractly. They only look at mass market numbers and they don't generally understand video games. They're the same guys who kept saying the Wii had to be HD otherwise it would flounder ... well, guess what? It wasn't and it didn't.

The great thing about video games and consoles, is companies generally do what they want. They push boundaries in areas that they think is the future (usually). One thing that has always been clear in the console space ... if you just iterate and don't innovate ... you'll be gone tomorrow. So, I also think it's a little arrogant to assume consoles themselves might not dramatically change into something that the mobile market would copy (again).

One of the arguments in the article is that, oh, Microsoft and Sony haven't really made anything in the console market. That's because of their business strategy, not because of people's interest in dedicated gaming, but because their business strategy makes them lose money for being popular. Way to go.

If we can have actual duplicate markets of devices coexist, like the Vita AND 3DS. Or the Wii 360, and PS3 ... how could you argue that two distinct markets, console and mobile, will annihilate one or the other (or rather, either they will both exist, or just mobile will exist). That doesn't make any sense!
Also, on the note of mobile devices can just do more than consoles/handhelds ... well so can PCs. Which was pointed out earlier. But it's a very good point. If more powerful general purpose devices were going to eliminate consoles, the PC would have already done it. But what has actually happened is a coexistence.

I think maybe gamers are a bit more symbiotic than the rest of the population. We want everything to work together, rather than annihilate.
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Re: Are consoles dead?

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rule of thumb: if you have to ask whether something is dead or not... it probably isn't.
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dsheinem wrote:
Damm64 wrote:I don't read the article...
I hate to single you out, but this kind of thing is becoming an increasing problem on the boards. If someone wants to discuss an article/video/whatever in a thread, than people commenting in that thread have the responsibility to start with what was linked before chiming in. It's just common courtesy, and it's something that has traditionally made this board one where intelligent and informed decisions could take place. Explaining that you didn't read the article makes me immediately want to ignore the rest of your post.
Likewise making outlandish and rather silly (and easily refutable!) claims immediately makes some not want to read the rest of the article. Neither the talk nor the IGN article really say anything substantial except "it's not as good as it used to be, therefore it is dead". It's as facile and insipid as it comes.
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In no way dead.
"Dying" or less popular maybe, but that will probably go for most hobbies these days. On top of the reccession, half the adults are paying for a data plan monthly. That just didn't happen last gen.
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o.pwuaioc wrote: making outlandish and rather silly (and easily refutable!) claims immediately makes some not want to read the rest of the article. Neither the talk nor the IGN article really say anything substantial except "it's not as good as it used to be, therefore it is dead". It's as facile and insipid as it comes.
The article isn't a very well written piece of journalism and the talk couldn't cover every contingency under the sun in 25 minutes, but both make some very important points about the thinking going on by game developers and hardware manufacturers concerning their investment in traditional consoles. The argument isn't simply that "it's not as good as it used to be" (talk about facile and insipid!) - it's that many market indicators have suggested that the console market share is shrinking to the point where it would no longer be profitable to create a new one and as a result an increasing amount of the creative people in the industry (and their funding) have moved away from consoles and towards mobile gaming.

Hell, one needed only to look at the heavy shift in focus to mobile gaming in the GDC talks this year to see that there's a lot of merit to Cousins' argument, despite some leaps in logic, flawed analogies, or missing components. No one is arguing the experience on mobile devices is the same, and no one is arguing that "dead" means there won't ever be another home console...but it does seem pretty reasonable at this point in history to think that gaming consoles are on their way out and heading towards an eventual end, perhaps after the upcoming generation.
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