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Post by **dsheinem** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:50 pm

wow, it's been almost two weeks since we had a decent piracy discussion thread. lets hope this continues.

also, for Yoshi:

Post by **Jmustang1968** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 4:54 pm

dsheinem wrote:wow, it's been almost two weeks since we had a decent piracy discussion thread. lets hope this continues.

also, for Yoshi:

Ya I am about done... he isn't even bringing up points now and just trolling. Time to carry on.

Post by **Hatta** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:01 pm

Jmustang1968 wrote: Is it ok to steal a dvd from a store? If you say no, then you are the hypocrite...

Wow, you're almost as smart as a congressman.

Post by **GameMasterGuy** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:05 pm

Jmustang1968 wrote:
Is it ok to steal a dvd from a store? If you say no, then you are the hypocrite...

I don't do piracy for my own personal reasons, however this statement is wrong. Stealing it via downloads takes away from sales, that's it. Nobody gets a loss, they just lose a gain. Stores pay for the items they sell, you know. If you steal something from a store, then they have a genuine loss; they can't just get a refund.

Post by **Jmustang1968** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:06 pm

Hatta wrote:
Jmustang1968 wrote: Is it ok to steal a dvd from a store? If you say no, then you are the hypocrite...

Wow, you're almost as smart as a congressman.

Thanks troll, Ok so justify it you certified genius. People feel like they can download pirated material because it is so easy to do and low risk of being caught. If people could steal dvds as easy, they would.

Post by **Jmustang1968** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:07 pm

GameMasterGuy wrote:
Jmustang1968 wrote:
Is it ok to steal a dvd from a store? If you say no, then you are the hypocrite...
I don't do piracy for my own personal reasons, however this statement is wrong. Stealing it via downloads takes away from sales, that's it. Nobody gets a loss, they just lose a gain. Stores pay for the items they sell, you know. If you steal something from a store, then they have a genuine loss; they can't just get a refund.

I am not speaking of who it hurts but the principal of getting something for free that you are suppoed to pay for = stealing.

Post by **elmagicochrisg** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:08 pm

Jmustang1968 wrote:Is it ok to steal a dvd from a store? If you say no, then you are the hypocrite...

I can say no to that without being a hypocrite. Simply because the analogy you are referring to is false...

And even if the analogy were to be correct -which it isn't- that still wouldn't make me a hypocrite.

I never said downloading was a 'good' thing. Just to quote myself:

I have to admit, my outrage is not completely moral. In essence I'm pissed about being cut off from a vast library of easily accessible movies. I like a good balance between watching movies legally and illegally.

I just don't lie about what and why I do it. That's all...

Jmustang1968 wrote:If people could steal dvds as easy, they would.

That's bullshit...

Post by **GameMasterGuy** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:12 pm

Jmustang1968 wrote:
GameMasterGuy wrote:
Jmustang1968 wrote:
Is it ok to steal a dvd from a store? If you say no, then you are the hypocrite...
I don't do piracy for my own personal reasons, however this statement is wrong. Stealing it via downloads takes away from sales, that's it. Nobody gets a loss, they just lose a gain. Stores pay for the items they sell, you know. If you steal something from a store, then they have a genuine loss; they can't just get a refund.
I am not speaking of who it hurts but the principal of getting something for free that you are suppoed to pay for = stealing.

Yes, it's still stealing. That doesn't mean that it's not an OK way of stealing.

Post by **Jmustang1968** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:15 pm

GameMasterGuy wrote:
Jmustang1968 wrote:
GameMasterGuy wrote: I don't do piracy for my own personal reasons, however this statement is wrong. Stealing it via downloads takes away from sales, that's it. Nobody gets a loss, they just lose a gain. Stores pay for the items they sell, you know. If you steal something from a store, then they have a genuine loss; they can't just get a refund.
I am not speaking of who it hurts but the principal of getting something for free that you are suppoed to pay for = stealing.
Yes, it's still stealing. That doesn't mean that it's not an OK way of stealing.

Its definitely shaky ground. And you assume the people who pirate wouldn't have purchased had it had it non been available for free. I think it is a mix of both, and does hurt the artists.

Post by **Hatta** » Fri Jan 20, 2012 5:21 pm

Jmustang1968 wrote: I am not speaking of who it hurts but the principal of getting something for free that you are suppoed to pay for = stealing.

So when Gandhi marched to the sea and made free salt in violation of the Salt Act, he was stealing?

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