360 vs PS3 as future retro platforms...

[DinnerX]

My fear is this: years from now when all the networks have gone down we'll be buying tons of duplicate consoles to get different games. I'll have the xbox2664 with bomberman 9000 and dragon warrior 786, the xbox2664 with braid 3 and so on. We'll be stuck hunting around for consoles and matching external hard drives with certain games on them.

This has already happened with the DLC of some oxbox titles. The only legal way to get the DLC is to find some random xbox with it and you still can't bring it all together on the same console.

[noiseredux]

Alright, Noise, you like DLC. We get it. Enjoy you downloaded games. But please read peoples post again "You don't physically own a digital title" was stated not that you don't own it at all.

To the rest quit trying to convince him otherwise.

Oh, OK. I thought this was a forum where we discussed things. The funny thing is I personally prefer physical media, when it's available. I just don't seem to agree with the idea that you don't own digital media. I guess we have different definitions of ownership.

But bottomline -- you apparently don't want to see opinions other than yr own. So be it. I won't bother being a part of the discussion anymore.

[mjmjr25]

Alright, Noise, you like DLC. We get it. Enjoy you downloaded games. But please read peoples post again "You don't physically own a digital title" was stated not that you don't own it at all.

To the rest quit trying to convince him otherwise.

Oh, OK. I thought this was a forum where we discussed things. The funny thing is I personally prefer physical media, when it's available. I just don't seem to agree with the idea that you don't own digital media. I guess we have different definitions of ownership.

But bottomline -- you apparently don't want to see opinions other than yr own. So be it. I won't bother being a part of the discussion anymore.

Of course you own it. I prefer physical as well, but the notion that you don't own the the download is silly.

You may own a physical copy of Super Tecmo Bowl, but you don't own "Super Tecmo Bowl" and all of its proprietary rights, et al. I may own a download of Super Tecmo Bowl, and of course I don't own "Super Tecmo Bowl". This is basic stuff.

[pepharytheworm]

But bottomline -- you apparently don't want to see opinions other than yr own.

I don't remember saying my personal views on DLC and its future. I don't mind discussions, but not when they become circular arguements. Discussions move forward. The truth is I see both sides. But this is a discussion about 360 vs PS3 as future retro platforms and both systems do have enough games that aren't DLC to see some future retro in both platforms, so lets bring this topic back to that.

[DinnerX]

Of course you own it. I prefer physical as well, but the notion that you don't own the the download is silly.

You may own a physical copy of Super Tecmo Bowl, but you don't own "Super Tecmo Bowl" and all of its proprietary rights, et al. I may own a download of Super Tecmo Bowl, and of course I don't own "Super Tecmo Bowl". This is basic stuff.

I agree with this.

My problem isn't about owning the download though. It's that I don't like the restrictions and consequences of the format. I own the download, but I don't view it as owning much. I suppose companies would tell us any game is just licensed to us anyway...but I still can't do as much with a download.

Uh...on topic, it's weird to think that the ps3 and 360 will be retro to to the next generation of kids. I suppose for them the hd games of today will look like pong does to me.

I feel old just thinking about it.

[CD AGES]

My problem isn't about owning the download though. It's that I don't like the restrictions and consequences of the format. I own the download, but I don't view it as owning much. I suppose companies would tell us any game is just licensed to us anyway...but I still can't do as much with a download.

Indeed!

[t0yrobo]

I'm not sure if I really understand the discussion here.
When the current consoles lose their online support we'll lose access to all the dlc, I get that.
If you get a new system because an old one dies, your hd dies etc. you won't be able to re download your dlc. Ok
You don't physically own anything that's dlc, and there's nothing physical to own anyways. Yup
It is already possible to get dlc etc. through the shadier parts of the internet. Yup, it sure it

I don't mean to be a dick, but the solution to all this is blatantly obvious. Hack your console and get the dlc (like I mentioned back on page 3 ). There's nothing to lose since the online service is down, and there's no other options with the exception of the games that have on disc dlc. Dlc has no aftermarket, that's just how it is. If you feel better only torrenting games you bought while the service was active that's fine, but there won't be any other reasonable option.

[ninjainspandex]

look at it this way DLC games are often games that wouldnt get a disk release so you wouldnt of gotten to play it without it.

[Flake]

I would not worry about the DLC equation.

Enough gamers are worried about this that I believe we will see a service akin to Mame developed in the future, where cracked copies of popular DLC games will be playable on PC with a growing library as more games are cracked or optimized to be played through the client.

[DinnerX]

I would not worry about the DLC equation.

Enough gamers are worried about this that I believe we will see a service akin to Mame developed in the future, where cracked copies of popular DLC games will be playable on PC with a growing library as more games are cracked or optimized to be played through the client.

I'm that guy who doesn't use MAME as well.

Personally, I think it's unsatisfactory that the only realistic, complete solution to the problem will be illegal. But that's me.