I find it harder to enjoy older scifi works because much of what's in them is outdated already. Minus the holodeck of course
If you mean the JJ Abrams reboot, you're just
wrong.
Plain and simple. It was awesome.
Xerogred wrote:Not to derail the thread, but since there's Trekkies here... are all the movies worth watching?.
Decent rule of thumb is: Watch the even numbered ones.
1. The Movie (I liked it) but its hated. Very 2001-esque
2. Wrath of Kahn. 'nuff said.
3. Search for Spock: Search for a storyline to bring back Spock - Skip
4. Journey Home - eehhhhh I liked it, especially if you're a fan of the book Rendezvous with Rama.
5. Final Frontier: El, oh fucking el. "Why does god need a starship?" Seriously.. skip.
6. The Undiscovered Country: I liked it. Christopher Plummer. Awesome. Red Foreman as a Klingon President. Awesome.
7 (TNG) Generations: Feh. Skip.
8. First Contact: Bad ass. Bad fucking ass. Probably my favorite other than II.
9. Insurrection - boring. completely boring.
10. Nemesis: um.. well... it kinda breaks the rule of thumb... but its watchable, at least. But meh.
11/1a (2009) Awesome.
Also of interest, a little trivia! Wrath of Kahn is not only a sequel to the first film, (though not directly, its just "II") it's also a sequel to the episode "Space Seed," which also stars Montalban as Kahn.. Which is just pretty cool.
Aha, First Contact was the one with the Borg that I liked. Good to see you speak highly of it. But yeah I don't remember any of the other TNG movies being nearly as good.
I'll definitely have to see them all someday, but I'll remember that rule of thumb.
I find it harder to enjoy older scifi works because much of what's in them is outdated already. Minus the holodeck of course
If you mean the JJ Abrams reboot, you're just
wrong.
Plain and simple. It was awesome.
Xerogred wrote:Not to derail the thread, but since there's Trekkies here... are all the movies worth watching?.
Decent rule of thumb is: Watch the even numbered ones.
1. The Movie (I liked it) but its hated. Very 2001-esque
2. Wrath of Kahn. 'nuff said.
3. Search for Spock: Search for a storyline to bring back Spock - Skip
4. Journey Home - eehhhhh I liked it, especially if you're a fan of the book Rendezvous with Rama.
5. Final Frontier: El, oh fucking el. "Why does god need a starship?" Seriously.. skip.
6. The Undiscovered Country: I liked it. Christopher Plummer. Awesome. Red Foreman as a Klingon President. Awesome.
7 (TNG) Generations: Feh. Skip.
8. First Contact: Bad ass. Bad fucking ass. Probably my favorite other than II.
9. Insurrection - boring. completely boring.
10. Nemesis: um.. well... it kinda breaks the rule of thumb... but its watchable, at least. But meh.
11/1a (2009) Awesome.
Also of interest, a little trivia! Wrath of Kahn is not only a sequel to the first film, (though not directly, its just "II") it's also a sequel to the episode "Space Seed," which also stars Montalban as Kahn.. Which is just pretty cool.
I liked the first film too. It kept you fascinated because you kept wondering what that thing was exactly and what it was going to do next.
I liked Generations, too. I don't understand the general dislike for it. Otherwise, I agree with your list. In regards to Generations, if anyone gets a chance to read the book Star Trek: The Return, do it. It's a much better story of the first-meeting of Kirk and Picard.
Xeogred wrote:Not to derail the thread, but since there's Trekkies here... are all the movies worth watching?
Here's my opinions on all 11 movies...
TMP: I think this one is underappreciated for the most part. The 2001 Director's Edition is definitely the one to watch though, as it replaces some unfinished and underdeveloped special effects shots and tightens up the pace of the film, which was pretty slow in the original cut. The redesigned uniforms are atrocious but the refitted Enterprise is probably one of the best-looking ships in all of sci-fi, IMO.
TWOK: My favorite of the bunch and the favorite of many other Trek fans as well. It feels a lot like a longer episode of TOS, which should come as no surprise seeing as how it's a sequel to the one of the best episodes of the original show. Not only does it have some neat battle scenes but it also features Shatner at his best. The new uniforms are great as well, and the Reliant is one nifty ship. This and the next two movies also form a loose trilogy, since Spock's death and the creation of the Genesis planet set up events that occur later on.
TSFS: Most fans are divided on this one, personally I thought it was an alright movie. It's definitely worth watching for the scene where Kirk and the gang steal the Enterprise from spacedock, and of course the destruction of the Enterprise, which is pretty sad to watch.
TVH: Another big fan favorite for good reason. This one's the most light-hearted of all the Trek films, and a nice break from the drama we saw in the last two movies. It almost harkens back to the first movie in that it features an unknown powerful force heading for Earth that is dealt with through unconventional means.
TFF: I used to watch this a lot as a kid, but now I can't stand watching it anymore. The special effects took a nosedive in quality, the plot is boring and it was so bad that Gene Roddenberry actually considered parts of it to be non-canonical. Skip.
TUC: A dramatic change from the insipidness that was TFF. This is the last movie to exclusively feature the original cast and they get a very nice sendoff here. It's also a product of its time as the Federation's peace efforts with the Klingons is a blatant allegory to the end of the Soviet Union, but the movie pulls it off well.
Generations: Mostly boring save the destruction of the Enterprise-D and Kirk's return (and subsequent death). One of the things that always bugged me about this film is that the Enterprise-D seems to have permanent mood lighting on as they tried to darken the TNG sets for their step up to the big screen. Data also becomes somewhat annoying once he gets the emotion chip, but his "Lifeforms" song had me chuckling a bit.
First Contact: It's to the TNG movies what Wrath of Khan was to the TOS films. Definitely worth watching.
Insurrection: This one suffers from an uninteresting plot and unmemorable villains. Skip.
Nemesis: I've only watched bits and pieces of this and I don't really have any intention of watching the whole thing. Shinzon is pretty lame as a villain and the ending almost seemed like it was ripping off Wrath of Khan. Skip this one too.
Star Trek: Having JJ Abrams take the reigns of the franchise after the dreck that was Enterprise and Nemesis was really refreshing, and this movie shows it. Even though I've been a Trek fan since I was little, this one was actually the first Trek movie I've seen in theaters and it didn't disappoint. Some of the scenes showed some major balls on Abrams' part and I really enjoyed how the movie took familiar characters and settings and placed them into a whole other reality. I'm looking forward to the sequel and I intend on seeing it the day it comes out.
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indecks wrote:They stayed in one spot, complained that Quark was farting in the promenade, O'Brien messed up a transporter that was gonna blow up the station but then they hit the reset button and everyone was safe. Next episode, rinse, repeat.
This is an odd thing to say. This seems to describe every Star Trek series except Deep Space Nine.
I want to watch DS9 on Netflix before they remove it (and you know they will),
The current Netflix license for Star Trek: DS9 expires in January 2014.
Deep Space Nine is my favorite of the Treks. It's much more gritty and realistic (in Sci-Fi terms, anyway) than any of the others. The characters - by far - are much more interesting than the ones on TNG, where nobody watching the show gave a shit about anyone other than Picard, Data or Worf. The entire cast was far more diverse and interesting, with characters who have actual arcs (such as Nog, who went from Jake Sisko's lackey to a Ferengi war hero over the course of the show). Even the background characters are great (Morn). The main cast is portrayed far more realistically than on TNG, where everyone is perfect and infalliable and insufferable.
The only thing I really dislike about the show is the pseudo-religious connotations around Sisko prophet and all that baloney. That stuff is a bore. Everything else about the show is great, the Cardassians are tremendous villains and the Dominion war gave every episode actual weight and material relevance that the Next Generation lacked.
FiftyDollarCurse wrote:
This is an odd thing to say. This seems to describe every Star Trek series except Deep Space Nine.
In truth, all Trek series suffer from Resetitis. The worst of course would be Voyager.
Also, I'm not sure if it's clear or not, but I've only watched a handful of episodes from DS9, and most of those were probably in the first and second seasons. I'm not saying DS9 is 'the worst' (looking in your direction Voyager) but as far as I am familiar with it, it was the worst. That's why I started this thread, I wanted to know where the show got good, because the first season was all creature-of-the-week type stuff. With a show like TOS, or TNG, or hell even Voyager, a 'new thing this week' was sort of understandable, because each crew was discovering/experiencing something new.
My problem with DS9 was that they never *went* anywhere. There was no 'Trekking' involved, so resetitis was even more detrimental. DS9 *needed* more strict continuity because its not like they would take out the Borg in one ep, and then meet the Kazon, only to be attacked by a rogue band of Maquis the next. It was just "ok, Jake got into trouble with Nog again" or "the Nagus is bothering Dax again." It was very boring to me. So when my friends and online people try to convince me that DS9 became everything you said in your last few comments, I want to see it for myself. But I really don't want to be bothered with crap episodes. I want a strong story arc like what I assume the Dominion War arc is/will be (for me).
Start with episode one.
I did, I watched it and it was entertaining - although I really cant stand Avery Brooks as an actor. He really just irritates the hell out of me. Then I watched the Season 2 finale, and the first two eps of Season 3 today and I was very entertained. Although the S2 finale didn't have anything good in it until the last 5 minutes.
ApolloBoy wrote:
Star Trek: Having JJ Abrams take the reigns of the franchise after the dreck that was Enterprise and Nemesis was really refreshing, and this movie shows it. Even though I've been a Trek fan since I was little, this one was actually the first Trek movie I've seen in theaters and it didn't disappoint. Some of the scenes showed some major balls on Abrams' part and I really enjoyed how the movie took familiar characters and settings and placed them into a whole other reality. I'm looking forward to the sequel and I intend on seeing it the day it comes out.
I wont. I loved Star Trek 2009, but I wont watch 2 at the theater. I'll probably be made fun of for this, but I have a reason I wont watch it at the theater, or pay to rent it. I'm going to pirate Star Trek II.2
My reason, this little shit:
Damon "I helped fuck Lost in the ass and made it watch beast porn while I did it" Lindelof. I will not be part of anything that gives him money. I know he'll have been paid by the time the movie is released, but I still will not be part of footing the bill. My pennies aren't going into circulation with him or that other guy from Lost after JJ Abrams left it to them.
Wow, did he kick your puppy or something? Either way, I don't watch LOST and I don't know anything about him so I'll still check out the new movie regardless.
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ApolloBoy wrote:Wow, did he kick your puppy or something? Either way, I don't watch LOST and I don't know anything about him so I'll still check out the new movie regardless.
Put it this way..
Shigeru Miyamoto created Mario and goes as far as SMB3. He moves on to Zelda and some hackjob game designer with 2 months experience comes in and turns Mario and Luigi into British cabbies that run a dry cleaning biz in the "Shallot Kingdom" for 4 more awful games. All exclusively for the apple pippin.
Then when gamers show their distaste for the changes, he claims his changes were miyamotos "true vision." And you know he's lying and wont take the blame for the awful changes he made.
That's what he and the other Guy (who's name escapes me) did.
indecks wrote:I really cant stand Avery Brooks as an actor. He really just irritates the hell out of me.
I'd recommend season 6, episode 13 for an awesome example of this. The one where Sisko is living the life of a 1950s science fiction writer for some reason. It's hilarious and great. Overacting is a Star Trek tradition and Brooks did it better than anyone this side of Shatner and DeForest Kelly.
