...Furthermore, I believe the human hand is to be used of love and affection. In regards to parenting, the hand is meant for guidance, nurturing, etc. and not spanking. This is why I think a neutral object should be used. Just because an instrument is employed for punishment doesn't make it necessarily worse than the hand. The parent behind the belt is fully in control of the severity of the spanking. Unfortunately, in the above mentioned video we see a father WITHOUT restraint.s1mplehumar wrote:I’m not saying that a spanking with the hand isn't effective or sufficient. I am saying that a spanking with an instrument of force, such as a belt, is more effective.Hatta wrote:There's a difference between spanking and beating. Using the palm of your hand is more than enough to get the point across.s1mplehumar wrote: I think a firm-tempered form of discipline (spanking) is more than appropriate - I think it's essential.
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First let me state that it doesn't sound like you are anywhere near being like the man in this video that I'm sure the majority of us would consider to be a terrible parent. Nor would I insinuate that spanking creates enraged serial killers. But here's my question for you: If you could raise your kids to be productive, ethical members of society WITHOUT spanking them, wouldn't that be preferable for both them and for you?s1mplehumar wrote: I think a firm-tempered form of discipline (spanking) is more than appropriate - I think it's essential. If you're insinuating my patience runs so thin, that at the drop of a hat I'm ready to thrash a child for so much as spilling their milk...you're mistaken. Certainly there's a time and a place for every thing. A child is just that, a child. A parent needs to exercise his/her authority over the child. I don't believe spanking (in the correct manner) will give the child some sort of inferiority complex, or turn them into an enraged serial killer if the punishment is doled out early, consistently, and in a spirit of loving correction.
Again, I don't expect anyone here to agree with me, and for good reason. That's fine.
Really, spanking is meant to be a tool for disicipline and instruction, but we often confuse it as BEING discipline and instruction when really it is just a tool. There's nothing innately good about spanking beyond that utility. What I'm suggesting, is that you can replace that tool with ones that don't require even mild amounts of violence. In fact, one of the shortcomings of spanking, besides those I elaborated on in my previous post, is that it sends a buried message that it is appropriate to become violent against people that do things we disapprove of, which is something most parents don't want their children to believe.
What I'm trying to explain is that as the field of psychology continues to develop there are more and more options for parenting that have been evaluated. We now know that with the right reinforcement strategies, it is entirely possible to raise your child well without the use of corporal punishment. And isn't that a better world for children and parents alike? And the real seal-to-the-deal is that these methods of parenting actually work BETTER. So I would challenge you to evaluate your own parenting style, to research the tools that are out there and available to parents now, and to just be willing to consider that you might be able to retire the old parenting tools for the new and still get the same, or even better results.
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Seems to me that sometimes you have to use both spanking and the correction/overcorrection and just talking to them in a respectful manner to be an effective parent; in my experience.
An example would be my daughter who could crawl out of her crib. So we changed it to a toddler bed to protect her. So then she started getting out of the bed and messing with the power plug. There is no correction/overcorrection strategy for that, so we calmly explain to her that messing with that is bad. We do that 2 or 3 times over the course of the night. The 3 or 4 time I'm in there I spank her bottom firmly but not violently and remind her that what she is doing is bad. She doesn't do it again.
EDIT: It's hard to explain this, because you might come off as sounding like an apoloigist for this jerk and I assure you I do not agree with his methods.
An example would be my daughter who could crawl out of her crib. So we changed it to a toddler bed to protect her. So then she started getting out of the bed and messing with the power plug. There is no correction/overcorrection strategy for that, so we calmly explain to her that messing with that is bad. We do that 2 or 3 times over the course of the night. The 3 or 4 time I'm in there I spank her bottom firmly but not violently and remind her that what she is doing is bad. She doesn't do it again.
EDIT: It's hard to explain this, because you might come off as sounding like an apoloigist for this jerk and I assure you I do not agree with his methods.
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That's basically what JT explained. If the child is about to engage in an activity that will be more harmful to them than the spanking, then spanking is a good tool.Stark wrote:Seems to me that sometimes you have to use both spanking and the correction/overcorrection and just talking to them in a respectful manner to be an effective parent; in my experience.
An example would be my daughter who could crawl out of her crib. So we changed it to a toddler bed to protect her. So then she started getting out of the bed and messing with the power plug. There is no correction/overcorrection strategy for that, so we calmly explain to her that messing with that is bad. We do that 2 or 3 times over the course of the night. The 3 or 4 time I'm in there I spank her bottom firmly but not violently and remind her that what she is doing is bad. She doesn't do it again.
EDIT: It's hard to explain this, because you might come off as sounding like an apoloigist for this jerk and I assure you I do not agree with his methods.
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Ah, oops, I was reading the wall of text but lost my place and must have missed that part.
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TOO MUCH COMMON SENSE, OVERLOAD, OVERLOADInazuma wrote:If you raise your child right, you shouldn't need to spank them at all. Talk to them like an adult and explain things to them so they have a good understanding. It's also important to encourage them to talk back to you. Hitting them will make them hide things from you and hate your guts.
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I am curious what you mean by "for good reason" here.s1mplehumar wrote: I don't expect anyone here to agree with me, and for good reason.
I mentioned that I was sometimes spanked, but I disagree that they weren't the "best parenting strategies" or that my parents "may have meant well" but were still wrong. You mention decades of research have passed - but when i was a kid this wasn't true, and certainly spanking was much more culturally accepted and used 25-30 years ago than it is now. Research DID exist, but it was not well-accepted and widely confirmed the way it is now.JT wrote:Also, just because your parents spanked you or beat you and you turned out ok, doesn't mean they had the best parenting strategies. .... It makes me sad to see how many people have responded to this story with their own stories of abuse...A lot of our parents may have meant well by spanking, but decades of research have passed and it's no longer considered an effective parenting strategy
My parents, grandparents, and many generations before them lived by the idea of "spare the rod, spoil the child" and in some cases - like my parents - had figured out how to employ that lesson in an instructive way that wasn't harmful to my psyche in the long term. Is it inexcusable now, knowing what we know? Yes, except in certain kinds of circumstances as were mentioned. But I don't think it is fair to condemn previous generations of parenting who didn't have the same knowledge that we have now. I think that NOW people who use physical punishment are ignorant and uneducated (though not necessarily mean-spirited or abusive). I don't think we can say the same thing about many of our own parents.
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This is what I intended to convey by saying that they may have meant well in the past. They were doing the best with the knowledge they had. It was the cultural norm. I don't condemn the parents of prior generations that applied structured, non-vindictive corporal punishment as part of their parenting. I just think that it's unnecessary now. Sorry if that wasn't clear.dsheinem wrote: My parents, grandparents, and many generations before them lived by the idea of "spare the rod, spoil the child" and in some cases - like my parents - had figured out how to employ that lesson in an instructive way that wasn't harmful to my psyche in the long term. Is it inexcusable now, knowing what we know? Yes, except in certain kinds of circumstances as were mentioned. But I don't think it is fair to condemn previous generations of parenting who didn't have the same knowledge that we have now. I think that NOW people who use physical punishment are ignorant and uneducated (though not necessarily mean-spirited or abusive). I don't think we can say the same thing about many of our own parents.
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No worries, but yeah - it came across as a bit accusatory. I'm pretty certain that, were I a kid today, my parents wouldn't be punishing me in the same way they did when I was young. Certainly I don't intend to use any corporal punishment on my kid, and if they had been doing it "wrong" and became abusive (like the Judge), I probably would be prone to repeating the cycle of abuse. It is a small miracle that this guy's daughter seems to be able to recognize the problem.J T wrote:This is what I intended to convey by saying that they may have meant well in the past. They were doing the best with the knowledge they had. It was the cultural norm. I don't condemn the parents of prior generations that applied structured, non-vindictive corporal punishment as part of their parenting. I just think that it's unnecessary now. Sorry if that wasn't clear.dsheinem wrote: My parents, grandparents, and many generations before them lived by the idea of "spare the rod, spoil the child" and in some cases - like my parents - had figured out how to employ that lesson in an instructive way that wasn't harmful to my psyche in the long term. Is it inexcusable now, knowing what we know? Yes, except in certain kinds of circumstances as were mentioned. But I don't think it is fair to condemn previous generations of parenting who didn't have the same knowledge that we have now. I think that NOW people who use physical punishment are ignorant and uneducated (though not necessarily mean-spirited or abusive). I don't think we can say the same thing about many of our own parents.
Also, your earlier post reminded me a bit of Dr. Drew's outrage on the video. He sometimes comes across as a bit of a hack, but I agree with him here: http://www.myvidster.com/video/3173900/ ... d_whipping
The best point he raises is that the law needs to catch up to science, and I am afraid that the public will need to see many more videos like this one before that actually happens.
