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noiseredux wrote:yeah I do disagree. Scream 2 is much better than 3 in my opinion. It's not perfect by any means, but it's still fun (even if silly) and still has some good scares. Throw in miss Buffy for good measure. :wink:
Yeah. I know I'm in the minority. There's just something about this movie though that just isn't working for me. I know I gave some examples, but honestly it's just something I can't quite put my finger on. It's like when you go see one of those really hyped, oscar nominated movies that everybody is raving about. You're brain tells you it's good: the script, the direction, the acting, etc. But it just doesn't hit that proper emotional sweet-spot for you.

*shrugs* I don't know. That's just the best I can do to describe it.
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Michi wrote:
noiseredux wrote:yeah I do disagree. Scream 2 is much better than 3 in my opinion. It's not perfect by any means, but it's still fun (even if silly) and still has some good scares. Throw in miss Buffy for good measure. :wink:
Yeah. I know I'm in the minority. There's just something about this movie though that just isn't working for me. I know I gave some examples, but honestly it's just something I can't quite put my finger on. It's like when you go see one of those really hyped, oscar nominated movies that everybody is raving about. You're brain tells you it's good: the script, the direction, the acting, etc. But it just doesn't hit that proper emotional sweet-spot for you.

*shrugs* I don't know. That's just the best I can do to describe it.

I get it.

noiseredux wrote: Sometimes I think it's funny that people argue over art at all -- movies, music, books, games -- we can try all we want to say "This is better than that and here's why" but in the end it's such a personal thing. The way we each take the art in and process it is nearly ineffible.
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noiseredux wrote: Sometimes I think it's funny that people argue over art at all -- movies, music, books, games -- we can try all we want to say "This is better than that and here's why" but in the end it's such a personal thing. The way we each take the art in and process it is nearly ineffible.
Very true.
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I watched this a couple of days ago on TCM (I love TCM) and thought I'd put this up before getting to Scream 3.

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Curse of the Demon, also known as Night of the Demon (1957). This little gem tells the story of Dr. John Holden, an expert on hypnotism and superstition. Holden flies to England to attend a symposium on the supernatural and plans to participate in an investigation of a mysterious devil-worshiping cult and their eccentric leader Julian Karswell. But when Holden arrives he finds out that one of his colleagues, Professor Harrington, has died under mysterious circumstances. Karswell appears to Holden

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Karswell and Holden

and asks/warns him not to proceed with his investigation, but Holden staunchly refuses and laughs it off. Holden's skepticism is then challenged by Joanna Harrington, the late Professor Harrington's niece, who believes her uncle was killed by something supernatural, somehow related with Karswell's cult. The two team up to find out the truth.

For most of the film Holden refuses to admit the existence of the supernatural, but finds it increasingly difficult to explain the strange events happening around them. He starts to feel chilled when the weather is hot, sees visions of living smoke,

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and seemingly sees Karswell appear to summon wind storms and wild cats.

He becomes even more concerned when he finds a scrap of paper with runic symbols slipped in amongst his briefcase. Holden and Joanna discover that Professor Harrington received a similar paper, three days before he died. With the help of Karswell's concerned mother, the two find evidence to suggest that Holden too is doomed to die in three days, unless he can find out the secret of the runes before it's too late.

This is a classic clash of science vs. superstition. In a bit of a surprise, the movie opens by actually showing you the reality of the supernatural threat, the demon itself.

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Now, the director of the film, Jacques Tourneur, originally intended for this to be as much as you would see as the creature. The creatures appearance was added by producer Hal E. Chester. I personally have mixed feelings about this. On one hand it plays into that Hichcockian "bomb theory", where it's more suspenseful to know something that the characters on screen don't. But on the other hand when you actually see the creature, it sort of stands out like a sore thumb. And in fact, when you do first see the creature up close, it almost takes away from the film, like it doesn't quite fit in.

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But, lets face it. That's a fabulous looking demon.

But in the scheme of things, I feel that's really a minor point.

This is a very suggestive film, harkening back to Tourneur's earlier Cat People. The use of light and shadow and the production design of the film is exquisite

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A nice recurring motif is the slowing constricting corridors as Holden gets closer and closer to the answers he seeks

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and the barren country-sides reflect the fear and paranoia that slowly begins to invade the protagonists.

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And John Holden is so stubborn and so smug and self-assured, that the viewer's sympathy often shifts away from him to the side characters. As the guest host said before the movie started, Holden is so stubborn and in denial about what's going on that you'll want to strangle him before the demon gets a chance too. Karswell, by contrast, is often much more sympathetic. He threatens, but makes jokes. He' fond of children and takes care of his mother, but at the same time summons demons. He's someone who must constantly find new victims or else become one himself. "My followers who pay for this do it out of fear. And I do what I do out of fear also. It's part of the price."

It's easy to see why this is a cult classic.

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^looks great! I'll plan to see that.
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I really liked Curse of the Demon, but I wished the producer wouldn't have added the creature. I'm a big believer in letting the imagination run wild with fear of the unknown.
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noiseredux wrote:yeah I do disagree. Scream 2 is much better than 3 in my opinion. It's not perfect by any means, but it's still fun (even if silly) and still has some good scares. Throw in miss Buffy for good measure. :wink:
+1. i'm not knocking the series cause i really like the first two. 3 was just plain stupid. storyline, characters, plot....it just felt like a reach even for the horror genre. i actually like scary movie 2 more than scream 2 though. :wink:
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stickem wrote:
noiseredux wrote:yeah I do disagree. Scream 2 is much better than 3 in my opinion. It's not perfect by any means, but it's still fun (even if silly) and still has some good scares. Throw in miss Buffy for good measure. :wink:
+1. i'm not knocking the series cause i really like the first two. 3 was just plain stupid. storyline, characters, plot....it just felt like a reach even for the horror genre. i actually like scary movie 2 more than scream 2 though. :wink:
Scream 2 is way better than Scary Movie 2. But Scary Movie 2 is hilarious and easily the best in the series.

TRIVIA: did you know that the working title for Scream was "Scary Movie"?
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noiseredux wrote:TRIVIA: did you know that the working title for Scream was "Scary Movie"?
I did from hearing about Scream while it was in production and it has always stuck with me so I manage to constantly get the names confused, which in turn has led to some very confusing discussions.
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After a couple of mundane death scenes (Hasta, Cotton), we learn that Sidney's paranoia has taken over her life and she has now isolated herself and is now living her life under an assumed name.

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Seriously? This is your choice for guard dog? Get a doberman.

As the story unfolds the backstory for the series is revealed and characters get knocked off one by one.

Like I said before, I like this one more than the second. It's treated like the red-headed stepchild of the series, but personally I've always enjoyed it more. Out of the three I think it's the wittiest, most self referential of the films. It acknowledges what came before and is constantly ribbing the movie business in general. I think it works as horror, but also as a satire as well. This chapter is more 'movie within a movie' than it's predecessors so it's very similar to New Nightmare in that effect.

You get to spend a bit more time with most of the new characters this time around which makes me feel a little more attached to them than I did in the last film.

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Except for Jenny here and her whopping two scenes. Get it? In the script she had two scenes...in the movie she complains about only having two scenes before she's killed off.....Nevermind.

I've heard some people complain that the plot got to complicated the third time around, what with all the look-alikes for everyone walking about. I personally never had a problem with that and actually really enjoyed the "real-life"/"actor" interactions.

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Seriously. I love these two. I could watch the Hardy Girls here all day. They crack me up.

I've also heard people complain about the back story, but I love back story so I ignore them.

You get to see more of the effect on Sydney this time around too. In the last movie, yeah, the events from the first one have affected her, but she's starting to pick up the pieces. But here you can really see the effect all the fear and guilt all the killings have caused her. She's completely isolated herself, works from home so she doesn't have to leave the house, and is still constantly looking over her shoulder.

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Poor girl can't catch a break

And she's not so much doing it for herself, but more for the sake of others. Just about every friend she's had since the first film has been killed, including her last boyfriend, who even she didn't believe was innocent until the last second.

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She's even still wearing his greek letters

So yes. There are a lot of things I like about this movie. It has one of my favorite cameos

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"I was up for Princess Leia. I was this close. So, who gets it? The one who sleeps with George Lucas."

And I love the entire ending at Milton's house. Is it a bit more campy than the others? Sure. How else were they going to bring back a character that they'd already killed off?

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But this installment hits all the right emotional buttons for me that the last one seemed to have missed. It makes me jump, it make me nod, and it makes me laugh. That's a good movie watching experience in my book.

4/5
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