Let's have a western animation thread

[Gamerforlife]

Joker wasn't quite what I expected, but I'm willing to give him a chance to grow on me if they use him in future episodes. I think they are just trying to do their own thing with this show and not appear like too much of a copy of the old DC Animated Universe. Already, I feel like quite a few of the characters are really almost exactly like their Justice League Unlimited counterparts. Not that I'm complaining, it's actually part of the show's appeal for me

I thought the Joker in Under the Red Hood was actually really good, but no one can top Mark Hammill. He's more embedded in my brain as that character than even Heath Ledger. I think Joker, I hear Hammill. I read Joker in a comic book. I still hear Hammill. The guy who does Batman in Young Justice though, yeah, he's awesome. His voice has this perfect gravitas. Just sounds like somebody you wouldn't dare argue with. I don't mind him carrying the touch from Kevin Controy, at least for this show anyway. I love the way they portray Batman in this show. Superman is always off doing his own, presumably really important things. So Batman feels like the face of the League in this show and whenever he walks into a room, everyone shuts the hell up. That's why he's my favorite super hero

[Erik_Twice]

ATTENTION GENTLEMEN, UPA SHORTS ARE GOING TO BE RELEASED ON DVD AT LAST

http://forums.goldenagecartoons.com/sho ... hp?t=16892

Apparently, included are every non-Magoo cartoon except for Ragtime Bear (Magoo's debut).

[AdamGomez1987]

Joker wasn't quite what I expected, but I'm willing to give him a chance to grow on me if they use him in future episodes. I think they are just trying to do their own thing with this show and not appear like too much of a copy of the old DC Animated Universe. Already, I feel like quite a few of the characters are really almost exactly like their Justice League Unlimited counterparts. Not that I'm complaining, it's actually part of the show's appeal for me

I thought the Joker in Under the Red Hood was actually really good, but no one can top Mark Hammill. He's more embedded in my brain as that character than even Heath Ledger. I think Joker, I hear Hammill. I read Joker in a comic book. I still hear Hammill. The guy who does Batman in Young Justice though, yeah, he's awesome. His voice has this perfect gravitas. Just sounds like somebody you wouldn't dare argue with. I don't mind him carrying the touch from Kevin Controy, at least for this show anyway. I love the way they portray Batman in this show. Superman is always off doing his own, presumably really important things. So Batman feels like the face of the League in this show and whenever he walks into a room, everyone shuts the hell up. That's why he's my favorite super hero

What I liked about Paul Dimaggio's voice is that he sounded kind of like Jack Nicholson. Personally, I think Jack Nicholson would be the perfect joker, but the one in the 1989 version was trying to do more of a Cesar Romero joker which I loved as well, but I think if Jack Nicholson were to do a joker based on "The Shining" and that kind of exotic behavior, I say we have ourselves a home run slugger.

As for why Kevin Conroy wasn't in Under the Red Hood, wasn't Kevin Conroy doing Arkham Asylum or DC Super Heroes, he was doing another type of Batman project at the time because it came out during the same time.

That's gotta be a good feeling to have good job security, 1994 Batman TAS came out right? and they still come to him and Mark Hamill for Batman & Joker for everything else. Even Batman Brave & The Bold were giving both of them voice overs such as Conroy doing alternate dimension Batman and a couple others I can't think of the names.

As for Young Justice, I seen the first 8 episodes I believe came out, so what's going on now? Batman being good cop and Superman being bad cop? I find that the most odd that Batman would be more of a protagonist than Superman would, it feels contradictory actually since in the past that Superman has always proved to be the better rolemodel but I understand if the series wants to go in a different direction with the characters.

p.s. I regret the day I typed in Young Justice on Deviant Art... *vomits*

[Gamerforlife]

Joker wasn't quite what I expected, but I'm willing to give him a chance to grow on me if they use him in future episodes. I think they are just trying to do their own thing with this show and not appear like too much of a copy of the old DC Animated Universe. Already, I feel like quite a few of the characters are really almost exactly like their Justice League Unlimited counterparts. Not that I'm complaining, it's actually part of the show's appeal for me

I thought the Joker in Under the Red Hood was actually really good, but no one can top Mark Hammill. He's more embedded in my brain as that character than even Heath Ledger. I think Joker, I hear Hammill. I read Joker in a comic book. I still hear Hammill. The guy who does Batman in Young Justice though, yeah, he's awesome. His voice has this perfect gravitas. Just sounds like somebody you wouldn't dare argue with. I don't mind him carrying the touch from Kevin Controy, at least for this show anyway. I love the way they portray Batman in this show. Superman is always off doing his own, presumably really important things. So Batman feels like the face of the League in this show and whenever he walks into a room, everyone shuts the hell up. That's why he's my favorite super hero

What I liked about Paul Dimaggio's voice is that he sounded kind of like Jack Nicholson. Personally, I think Jack Nicholson would be the perfect joker, but the one in the 1989 version was trying to do more of a Cesar Romero joker which I loved as well, but I think if Jack Nicholson were to do a joker based on "The Shining" and that kind of exotic behavior, I say we have ourselves a home run slugger.

As for why Kevin Conroy wasn't in Under the Red Hood, wasn't Kevin Conroy doing Arkham Asylum or DC Super Heroes, he was doing another type of Batman project at the time because it came out during the same time.

That's gotta be a good feeling to have good job security, 1994 Batman TAS came out right? and they still come to him and Mark Hamill for Batman & Joker for everything else. Even Batman Brave & The Bold were giving both of them voice overs such as Conroy doing alternate dimension Batman and a couple others I can't think of the names.

As for Young Justice, I seen the first 8 episodes I believe came out, so what's going on now? Batman being good cop and Superman being bad cop? I find that the most odd that Batman would be more of a protagonist than Superman would, it feels contradictory actually since in the past that Superman has always proved to be the better rolemodel but I understand if the series wants to go in a different direction with the characters.

p.s. I regret the day I typed in Young Justice on Deviant Art... *vomits*

Well, Young Justice is kind of Batman's project. So, that may be why he shows up in more episodes. He uses them as a covert ops team to take care of things he doesn't need the world at large to know about. Everything the League does is front page news, everything that isn't is handled by Young Justice.

I also think they are holding off on using Superman more because they have this storyline where Superboy wanted him as a father figure and Superman doesn't wish to fill that role at all. I think there's going to be some upcoming episode where those two have some kind of falling out. Even Batman tried to convince Superman to be a father figure for that kid. Other than the whole, refusing fatherly responsibility thing, I don't think Superman is portrayed poorly in the show. It's just funny that he acts like this in the show, because most Supergirl stories have Superman happily taking up the responsibility of being a guardian for her. This absentee father thing they are doing with Superman on this particular show does seem a bit odd. They did that on the movie Superman Returns too. I guess Superman only likes taking care of girls

As for Kevin Conroy, you know one of the reasons I think people love to cast him as Batman? He understands how to perfectly differentiate Batman and Bruce Wayne's voices. It's a subtle but noticeable difference in just the pitch of his voice. You know when he's being Batman and you know when he's being Bruce, and both voices sound completely natural, yet very distinct. Christian Bale doesn't understand this at all. His Batman voice sounds ridiculous, while only his Bruce Wayne voice sounds normal. It's the little details like this that put Conroy in a league of his own as the definitive Batman voice

Nicholson was great as Joker, but a more Shining-like take on it probably would indeed have been awesome

[AdamGomez1987]

Well, Young Justice is kind of Batman's project. So, that may be why he shows up in more episodes. He uses them as a covert ops team to take care of things he doesn't need the world at large to know about. Everything the League does is front page news, everything that isn't is handled by Young Justice.

I also think they are holding off on using Superman more because they have this storyline where Superboy wanted him as a father figure and Superman doesn't wish to fill that role at all. I think there's going to be some upcoming episode where those two have some kind of falling out. Even Batman tried to convince Superman to be a father figure for that kid. Other than the whole, refusing fatherly responsibility thing, I don't think Superman is portrayed poorly in the show. It's just funny that he acts like this in the show, because most Supergirl stories have Superman happily taking up the responsibility of being a guardian for her. This absentee father thing they are doing with Superman on this particular show does seem a bit odd. They did that on the movie Superman Returns too. I guess Superman only likes taking care of girls

As for Kevin Conroy, you know one of the reasons I think people love to cast him as Batman? He understands how to perfectly differentiate Batman and Bruce Wayne's voices. It's a subtle but noticeable difference in just the pitch of his voice. You know when he's being Batman and you know when he's being Bruce, and both voices sound completely natural, yet very distinct. Christian Bale doesn't understand this at all. His Batman voice sounds ridiculous, while only his Bruce Wayne voice sounds normal. It's the little details like this that put Conroy in a league of his own as the definitive Batman voice

Nicholson was great as Joker, but a more Shining-like take on it probably would indeed have been awesome

On the subject of Kevin Conroy doing both voices, if you remember the first episode what was funny was that he was still in his Batman suit while talking to Commissioner Gordon over a communicator so he was looking all serious and tough as Batman while speaking in Bruce Wayne's voice speaking in the laid back slang that Bruce Wayne does.

I think they're trying to portray Superman like they've been doing since 2000 since the Cartoon Network's Justice League ( I wish they never got rid of that show..somebody needs to pay for doing that -.- ) where he was more serious and stressed out and sounded like everything was more of a burden compared to the 60's moral version where he would just smile at everything while beating up the bad guys.

I always like the episodes of Batman & Superman pairing up and seem to be more equal with each other fighting in Justice League, like when the two of them were beating up Darkseid compared to when Superman is *Godman* in terms of just being too Gary Stu'ish.

[AdamGomez1987]

Well, from an update here, I just finished watching both Batman Brave & The Bold and Young Justice from the episodes that were left.

The Joker in Young Justice was too much of a henchmen it felt like and the voice was worse than Heath Ledger's I thought. *crinches* but I always like Doctor Fate so watching that part where he came back made my day.

As for Batman Brave And the Bold, the last two episodes were campy, especially the last one where they were showing Ace The Bat Hound's Scrappy Doo'esk nephew

In conclusion, can't wait for Season 4 of Batman Brave and the Bold. In the meantime, I may have to give "The Batman" another chance, I couldn't connect with it the first time but I was seeing clips where Batman was taking on a Vampire and that caught my attention and it looked cool.

[Gamerforlife]

Well, from an update here, I just finished watching both Batman Brave & The Bold and Young Justice from the episodes that were left.

The Joker in Young Justice was too much of a henchmen it felt like and the voice was worse than Heath Ledger's I thought. *crinches* but I always like Doctor Fate so watching that part where he came back made my day.

As for Batman Brave And the Bold, the last two episodes were campy, especially the last one where they were showing Ace The Bat Hound's Scrappy Doo'esk nephew

In conclusion, can't wait for Season 4 of Batman Brave and the Bold. In the meantime, I may have to give "The Batman" another chance, I couldn't connect with it the first time but I was seeing clips where Batman was taking on a Vampire and that caught my attention and it looked cool.

Yeah, I'm not surprised people don't like Joker. It's just such a big change from what we've seen before. Still, he came across as appropriately crazy and I didn't view him as a henchmen given how much control he had over the plant creatures. By the end of the episode, you could tell he was just doing what he wanted and being truer to his nature as a guy who follows his own whims

They just brought on Zatanna last episode and she's a bit different from what I expected. Not so much her look or voice, but that she's this young teen now instead of an older Justice League member. I'm cool with it though, and I like that Robin has a love interest and that it's a brainy girl(I tend to always think of magic users as being smart) and not the bimbo that Megan is. God, I hate that stupid, "Hello Megan" catch phrase and I can't relate to a cheerleader character with an angry jock boyfriend(a.k.a Superboy).

I've always liked Zatanna as a character. Partly because she seems to have a good relationship with Batman. Fun Fact. People think Paul Dini's wife looks like Zatanna, including Paul himself(who happens to love the Zatanna character). She just happens to be a magician too, has been in comic books and done animation voice work. Dini's a lucky guy, check her out

http://www.all-about-magicians.com/misty-lee.html

I watched Batman Brave and the Bold this past Friday. I think I see the show's appeal, but I don't really like my super heroes campy and silly. However, the show definitely seems to be winking at the audience, so the camp and cheese is completely intentional. I can respect that, but not my thing. I don't generally gravitate to too many shows that don't take themselves seriously

If you want Batman vs Dracula, I'd say get the original comic book story(http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman_%26 ... :_Red_Rain) and skip the Batman cartoon's take on it. I didn't like the Batman personally. It just didn't seem to offer anything that Batman: Animated Series didn't already do better. At least Batman: Brave and the Bold took a completely different approach to the character, even though it's not my thing

[AdamGomez1987]

Yeah, I don't like it either when characters start to portray stereotypes too strongly to make teenagers feel related but I guess they have to gravitate towards a diverse crowd ya know?

As for the Joker, yeah you got it on the nose with how I feel that and he feels too much of a team player how he was perfectly cooperating with the others with the end ready to take out everyone being that exception.

Zatanna is really young in this version which I find interesting now that she's being played out as Robin's love interest ( if only Starfire can just come through a wormhole and fight over Robin..hahaha! Team Titans...) <- to add to that they better add Deathstroke! ( and a +1 if they call him that instead of Slade, lol)

I'm with you on that honestly, I didn't care for "The Batman" because it was meant to feel like an updated version of Batman: The Animated Series in terms of time line, this version of Batman is supposably in modern times where technology is more advance where Batman TAS was more of a 40's 50's feel with the dials and the atmosphere.

Before posting this I just seen Batman: Year One, now I feel like going back and reading the original comics. The only thing I have to say negatively about the movie is that it was short, just barely over 60min. so it feels slightly rushed, but it was well animated none the less.

I did read the very first Batman comic in Detective Comics and it was pretty awesome how that rich guy got assassinated by Joker with Joker gas and having that chesire chat grin and dieng from it.

Man, we talk about Western animation thread and everytime I come on here it feels more like a "Batman Animation Thread" which I'd be perfectly okay with...

technically.. Batman: Gotham Knight, so I discuss this here or in the anime thread ( Batman's suit looking like Gotchaman for the win, I was watching the commentary on how he stated he grew up watching Gotchaman )

[BoringSupreez]

Looks like the final Gargoyles DVDs might be coming next year. Read post #30.

[AdamGomez1987]

Looks like the final Gargoyles DVDs might be coming next year. Read post #30.

Took them long enough! I don't even remember how many seasons they went on, I remember seeing the movie first and then watched the series.