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isiolia wrote:
Balasubbie wrote:gaming cliques (or generally)


I would say that's a larger trend than just core gamers vs Wii. You get the same thing with Gears/CoD/Halo/etc hate, just with a largely different group of people. It's also not something restricted to gaming. People like to feel special, and being part of a relatively exclusive group serves to do that, even if it's more or less one they created for themselves.


Yeah, I made the same point myself in the OP. I find it fascinating as to how it pertains to the Wii. I had a conversation recently with someone who made a point of referencing all the console they owned and the fact the Wii wasn't amongst them, as though that was some sort of qualification towards its worthlessness. When I pressed further as to why it wasn't worth owning, I got a blunt 'because it's crap', when I asked why, I got the standard laundry list of catchphrases i.e. no games, motion controls et al and when I countered them with the usual lists and reasons why the Wii isn't entirely write-offable, it occurred to me that I could list reason after reason for hour after hour and it probably wouldn't be enough, like this person needed to feel as though the Wii was entirely useless, as believing such confirms and reinforces their identities.

I think there's point where it even criss-crosses with class, or it used to anyways. I look forward to the when someone sit down and writes that inevitable essay on brand-bias' role in gaming.

I think it relates to a generality, such as the anti COD/'big business gaming, that there
exist this phenomena of anti-populism, or to be contrary for contrary's sake.
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isiolia wrote:
Balasubbie wrote:gaming cliques (or generally)


I would say that's a larger trend than just core gamers vs Wii. You get the same thing with Gears/CoD/Halo/etc hate, just with a largely different group of people. It's also not something restricted to gaming. People like to feel special, and being part of a relatively exclusive group serves to do that, even if it's more or less one they created for themselves.

The other thing that people often forget is that there are many blind Yahtzee followers and he hates the Wii and Nintendo, but for good reason (Nintendo and Australia were never really friends). A large chunk of the people I talk to about gaming give me the same tired lines that Yahtzee gives in his videos even though they dont apply to them at all.
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fastbilly1 wrote:The other thing that people often forget is that there are many blind Yahtzee followers and he hates the Wii and Nintendo, but for good reason (Nintendo and Australia were never really friends). A large chunk of the people I talk to about gaming give me the same tired lines that Yahtzee gives in his videos even though they dont apply to them at all.


Perhaps, though in his case it seems more to be hyperbole for the sake of humor - I mean, if he doesn't find something to rag on a game about, he doesn't have much of a show. I'd kind of hope that someone familiar enough with gaming to "get" Zero Punctuation would know better than to take it literally...but yeah, I can see that.
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fastbilly1 wrote:
isiolia wrote:
Balasubbie wrote:gaming cliques (or generally)


I would say that's a larger trend than just core gamers vs Wii. You get the same thing with Gears/CoD/Halo/etc hate, just with a largely different group of people. It's also not something restricted to gaming. People like to feel special, and being part of a relatively exclusive group serves to do that, even if it's more or less one they created for themselves.

The other thing that people often forget is that there are many blind Yahtzee followers and he hates the Wii and Nintendo, but for good reason (Nintendo and Australia were never really friends). A large chunk of the people I talk to about gaming give me the same tired lines that Yahtzee gives in his videos even though they dont apply to them at all.


I still can't figure out why anyone gives a crap about what that guy has to say.
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It really sucks that Nintendo re-released the Gamecube under a different name, but made it worse with shitty motion controls and a focus on the non-gamer.

However, the Wii still manages to be a really great console. It has many excellent games and I'm glad I own it. I strongly believe that it is the best of the 3 modern game consoles. I know the Wii is technically one generation behind the others, so some would argue that it isn't actually a modern console. You may be right but despite that, it still surpasses the others since you can actually own 100% of the games that are on DVD.
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Inazuma wrote:It really sucks that Nintendo re-released the Gamecube under a different name, but made it worse with shitty motion controls and a focus on the non-gamer.


I agree to a certain extent, especially as a more dedicated gamer myself but I also see it as something of a stroke of genius somewhat, seeing the Gamecube's relative failure within the mainstream gaming-sphere and its subsequent domination of gen 7 sales. Nintendo had no development costs on the base hardware, just whatever it took to tack on motion controls.
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Balasubbie wrote:
Inazuma wrote:It really sucks that Nintendo re-released the Gamecube under a different name, but made it worse with shitty motion controls and a focus on the non-gamer.
I agree to a certain extent, especially as a more dedicated gamer myself but I also see it as something of a stroke of genius somewhat, seeing the Gamecube's relative failure within the mainstream gaming-sphere and its subsequent domination of gen 7 sales. Nintendo had no development costs on the base hardware, just whatever it took to tack on motion controls.

At first I hated the notion of motion Controls. The Wii has saved the Lightgun games and is the best console FPS controller, instant precise aim anywhere on the screen. Notice the latest FPS games on PS3 and XBox doing catchup with Move and Kinect compatibility? Wii has this covered since its on every console not an add on. I do wish every Wii game would offer a Classic Controller option though.
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Balasubbie wrote:I agree to a certain extent, especially as a more dedicated gamer myself but I also see it as something of a stroke of genius somewhat, seeing the Gamecube's relative failure within the mainstream gaming-sphere and its subsequent domination of gen 7 sales. Nintendo had no development costs on the base hardware, just whatever it took to tack on motion controls.

I know it was a massive fucking financial success and a genius idea to appeal to non-gamers, but I was looking at it from the eyes of the gamer. Releasing a dumb downed version of the Gamecube was a pretty big insult to us. There are many people who still haven't forgiven Nintendo for it.
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Inazuma wrote:
Balasubbie wrote:I agree to a certain extent, especially as a more dedicated gamer myself but I also see it as something of a stroke of genius somewhat, seeing the Gamecube's relative failure within the mainstream gaming-sphere and its subsequent domination of gen 7 sales. Nintendo had no development costs on the base hardware, just whatever it took to tack on motion controls.

I know it was a massive fucking financial success and a genius idea to appeal to non-gamers, but I was looking at it from the eyes of the gamer. Releasing a dumb downed version of the Gamecube was a pretty big insult to us. There are many people who still haven't forgiven Nintendo for it.


How exactly is the Wii dumbed down from the Gamecube? I always thought of the Wii as an expanded Gamecube.
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RyaNtheSlayA wrote:How exactly is the Wii dumbed down from the Gamecube? I always thought of the Wii as an expanded Gamecube.

Hardware wise, the Wii is a slightly upgraded Gamecube. But the games and motion controls were a big step back. Thankfully after a few years, we started to get a bunch of real games that had good controls. Wii Motion Plus did a lot to make motion controls actually work well, but sadly most games didn't use it because it was an add-on. If the Wii launched with Motion Plus, it would have been much better from a control standpoint. We still would have had simple, shallow games to appeal to the non-gamers, but at least we would be able to control them well.
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