Inazuma wrote:I can agree to that too, but I think new releases should go to GoG also. Everything from GoG has no DRM, which is how it should be. If Falcom releases some cool Japanese games on GoG, I can actually consider buying them.
I'm fine with you having a huge boycott list and you do "not consider buying" anything that doesn't cater specifically to your demands.
But you might also have in mind that you aren't the center of the universe and that other people might find that Steam suits their needs well enough.
Inazuma wrote:I can agree to that too, but I think new releases should go to GoG also. Everything from GoG has no DRM, which is how it should be. If Falcom releases some cool Japanese games on GoG, I can actually consider buying them.
I'm fine with you having a huge boycott list and you do "not consider buying" anything that doesn't cater specifically to your demands.
But you might also have in mind that you aren't the center of the universe and that other people might find that Steam suits their needs well enough.
My demands? Sorry for not wanting to give up my rights. I like to actually own the games I buy.
I care about consumer rights and video games too much to listen to someone like you. If everyone was like you, we would have no rights for anything. I'm the one who should be getting angry with you, because you are supporting all of this bullshit.
Inazuma wrote:I can agree to that too, but I think new releases should go to GoG also. Everything from GoG has no DRM, which is how it should be. If Falcom releases some cool Japanese games on GoG, I can actually consider buying them.
I'm fine with you having a huge boycott list and you do "not consider buying" anything that doesn't cater specifically to your demands.
But you might also have in mind that you aren't the center of the universe and that other people might find that Steam suits their needs well enough.
My demands? Sorry for not wanting to give up my rights. I like to actually own the games I buy.
I care about consumer rights and video games too much to listen to someone like you. If everyone was like you, we would have no rights for anything. I'm the one who should be getting angry with you, because you are supporting all of this bullshit.
Lol man you are a bit ridiculous. You have a right not to buy. I guess I should also demand they make shining force 4 because it is my right as a consumer for them to make the games I want.
You are a video game hipster haha. I can picture you sitting around the tv with friends drinking a pbr and playing dreamcast imports while complaining about western games and anything mainstream.
Inazuma wrote:My demands? Sorry for not wanting to give up my rights. I like to actually own the games I buy.
I care about consumer rights and video games too much to listen to someone like you. If everyone was like you, we would have no rights for anything. I'm the one who should be getting angry with you, because you are supporting all of this bullshit.
Yeah, you can have your rights. The rest of us can have games. How about that?
Jmustang1968 wrote:
Lol man you are a bit ridiculous. You have a right not to buy. I guess I should also demand they make shining force 4 because it is my right as a consumer for them to make the games I want.
You are a video game hipster haha. I can picture you sitting around the tv with friends drinking a pbr and playing dreamcast imports while complaining about western games and anything mainstream.
Complaining about consumer rights being taken away is a bad thing?! Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? You think it's cool to be ignorant? Just because most people think like you, doesn't make you right. You are selfish and you have no idea how the world really works.
You are also a hypocrite if you like retro games.
jfrost wrote:
Yeah, you can have your rights. The rest of us can have games. How about that?
This shows that you have no idea what you are saying. I'm the one who is in favor of having video games. You are actually arguing against it.
I don't know why you guys have a problem with Inazuma central point. He's just upset about the direction of the industry that is moving towards consumers leasing games instead of owning them, but still paying the same price of owning them.
From a consumer standpoint, GOG's DRM-free model is really much better than Steam's online check-in system because it grants you ownership. You can download, backup, and store your games without having to worry about losing acces to your games from either being banned (whether justified or not) or from the company going out of business.
I say this as someone that likes Steam. But I like them with a clear understanding that I only own my games in theory from Steam and it all depends on if they follow a promise to unlock the games if Valve goes under for some unforeseen reason. This is a promise that is only mentioned in message boards and not written into the EULA.
I don't take Inazuma's hardline stance, but I think he makes good points. I have my own breaking point for when DRM is heavy enough for me to boycott the product, that line is just drawn slightly after Steam DRM. Maybe it should be drawn before, though it's a little late for that given my huge Steam library.
The DRM/piracy issue has become a big deal in recent years. It is important for companies to have a means to protect themselves from piracy because if they can't turn a profit, then no games get made. At the same time, their solutions rarely include any concern for the consumer and as consumers we shouldn't be happy about that. It all boils down to the fact that I shouldn't be paying money for a limited product so that the company can protect themselves from pirates. They are so bent on punishing and preventing piracy that there is collateral damage spilling over and punishing their paying customers. Activation limits, online check-ins, CD Keys, disc checks, anti-piracy splash screens, and all other forms of DRM do nothing for me as a customer. I'll tolerate a little because I understand their benefit for the company, but they only create a hassle for me. These companies need to know when it gets to be too much of a pain and we are not ok with it.
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jfrost wrote:
Yeah, you can have your rights. The rest of us can have games. How about that?
This shows that you have no idea what you are saying. I'm the one who is in favor of having video games. You are actually arguing against it.
Am I? If it depended on you, I'd have no games, because I am not able to afford your treasured physical copies.
Once again. You have no idea what you are talking about.
If it depended on me, you would be able to buy a used copy of the game. It would be cheap, contain 100% of the game and you would actually own it. Look at all of the old physical games. Most of them are this way. If there are download games, they would have no DRM.
If it depended on you, games would only be available as downloads for a limited time, and they would cost whatever the publisher set the price as. Also, you wouldn't own them. They could be changed or shut down at any time and you would have no say in the matter. You would have no rights.
Jmustang1968 wrote:
Lol man you are a bit ridiculous. You have a right not to buy. I guess I should also demand they make shining force 4 because it is my right as a consumer for them to make the games I want.
You are a video game hipster haha. I can picture you sitting around the tv with friends drinking a pbr and playing dreamcast imports while complaining about western games and anything mainstream.
Complaining about consumer rights being taken away is a bad thing?! Seriously, what the fuck is wrong with you? You think it's cool to be ignorant? Just because most people think like you, doesn't make you right. You are selfish and you have no idea how the world really works.
You are also a hypocrite if you like retro games.
I am not ignorant nor a hypocrite. My right is to choose not to buy a game if I don't like something about it. Which I do quite often, especially if a game has intrusive drm. No one forces me to buy a game I don't want. I don't like DRM and I think it is misguided, but I understand why they do it. I honestly think you are out of touch with reality.
I prefer always having a physical copy. I actually also buy a physical copy of books and a digital copy on an ereader just so I can have the book on my shelf.
Steam is also nice though as I can access it from any computer and don't have to insert a disc when I play. They also usually have great prices and I can justify getting games I wouldn't otherwise. It is convenience at a bargain.
I fail to see how nippon ichi offering games on another platform giving gamers another avenue to play is a bad thing in any way.
