Sony amend PSN ToS which waives consumer rights.

[dsheinem]

Have no fear, Niode:

Sony's new PlayStation Network terms of service, which basically exist to try and stop the company being taken to court by disgruntled users, aren't exactly popular in the US. If you're from Europe or Australia, though, relax: They don't apply to you.

A Sony spokesperson has confirmed with Kotaku Australia that across the territories governed by Sony Computer Entertainment Europe, the terms of service agreement users sign has not changed— as such the "don't sue us" clauses present for Americans are entirely absent for customers in Europe and Australasia.

http://kotaku.com/5841993/remember-sony ... o-everyone

I don't think they'll really hold up if put to the test in the US either, but it does suck that we would have to fight them first.

[Hatta]

I don't think they'll really hold up if put to the test in the US either, but it does suck that we would have to fight them first.

You're not nearly cynical enough. The fact is that AT&T already went to the Supreme Court and won the right to do pretty much the same thing Sony is doing here.

The Supreme Court on Wednesday ruled that AT&T—and indeed, any company—could block class-action suits arising from disputes with customers and instead force those customers into binding arbitration. The ruling reverses previous lower-court decisions that classified stipulations in AT&T's service contract which barred class arbitration as "unconscionable."

In corporate America, you have no rights.

[Niode]

Have no fear, Niode:

Sony's new PlayStation Network terms of service, which basically exist to try and stop the company being taken to court by disgruntled users, aren't exactly popular in the US. If you're from Europe or Australia, though, relax: They don't apply to you.

A Sony spokesperson has confirmed with Kotaku Australia that across the territories governed by Sony Computer Entertainment Europe, the terms of service agreement users sign has not changed— as such the "don't sue us" clauses present for Americans are entirely absent for customers in Europe and Australasia.

http://kotaku.com/5841993/remember-sony ... o-everyone

I don't think they'll really hold up if put to the test in the US either, but it does suck that we would have to fight them first.

Oh I know, hence:

Our statutory rights protect us from bullshit like this...

From my initial post. I know exactly what my rights are. I'm just astounded that the US allow companies to get away with this type of thing. You guys have next to zero rights compared to us. It's extremely worrying.

[DinnerX]

You guys have next to zero rights compared to us. It's extremely worrying.

For this kind of thing yes and it's flat out creepy. If only more Americans were worried. Hope this sort of thing doesn't spread over to Europe.

[Niode]

You guys have next to zero rights compared to us. It's extremely worrying.

For this kind of thing yes and it's flat out creepy. If only more Americans were worried. Hope this sort of thing doesn't spread over to Europe.

Well that's the thing, it's worrying that you let (I know, not your choice really) corporations walk all over you but if it continues then these companies might try and get our rights over turned in Europe seeing as it worked so well in the US. Regarding the AT&T case, they only won by one vote 5/4 so if another case is tried it could work out in your favour. However, the problem with class action is getting enough people in your class. The way Sony have worded this is you effectively give up all rights to sue whether you sign it or you don't. You need to find enough people that object to the ToS in order to create a sufficient class, in order to begin a class action lawsuit. Thanks to the new ToS, if you sign it, you CAN'T sue. If you don't sign it, you don't belong to a class that objects to it anyway, you need to write to Sony to tell them that you aren't signing your right to class action away. Then you will belong to a class that has the right to sue them. Finding enough people in your class is going to be extremely tricky.

Don't you guys have a non-profit organisation that takes on cases like these in the USA?

[flex wood]

You guys have next to zero rights compared to us.

I know you aren't but it kinda feels like you rubbing it in.

Also I can't even sign in to the network at all I keep getting an error code. I just updated to OFW 3.72 I think it was and then bam "You have been signed out of the network." I wouldn't really be surprised if they're getting hacked again because of this or if they do in the future.

edit nevermind I'm on now. Oh I just remembered I realised that the "free two months" of PS PLUS for subscribers didn't really happen the time my account still took time off for when the network was down so technically I got nothing free.

[Inazuma]

You guys have next to zero rights compared to us.

I know you aren't but it kinda feels like you rubbing it in.

Niode can't say it enough imo. It's an extremely important topic and it is fucking sickening how little Americans care about their rights. I love when Niode complains about companies trying to take away rights and fuck us over. It's a real breath of fresh air to hear someone who actually gives a fuck about freedom. Most people are nothing but mindless sheep who happily bend over on command without a second thought. We need more people like Niode or else this planet is doomed.

Keep it up, Niode. Don't let people like flex wood prevent you from trying to improve things and help others. flex wood, don't shoot the messenger. If you are upset at having your rights taken away from you, redirect your anger towards Sony. Niode wants you to have more rights, and is only saying stuff like that for your own good.

[flex wood]

I was kidding Izzy. I have alot more sense then to be mad at someone for giving me information.

I actually have a very good question for Niode about the EULA now that I think about it. Does it matter where one resides? My mom is from Scottland so I am trying to get my dual citizenship were I to get approved would my rights be protected under the EULA even though I live in the states?

[flex wood]

Have no fear it is possible to opt out of the shitty terms of services just have to write sony a letter. Can I borrow a stamp from someone?

http://ps3.ign.com/articles/119/1195833p1.html

[Ack]

In corporate America, you have no rights.

Except for that whole right not to purchase their products...

You guys have next to zero rights compared to us. It's extremely worrying.

You mean like owning guns?

Keep it up, Niode. Don't let people like flex wood prevent you from trying to improve things and help others. flex wood, don't shoot the messenger. If you are upset at having your rights taken away from you, redirect your anger towards Sony. Niode wants you to have more rights, and is only saying stuff like that for your own good.

Izzy, you sure do spend a lot of time putting words into other people's mouths. Does no one have the right to form a different opinion from you or go about things in a different way?