VHS enthusiats

[Hobie-wan]

so...
Any one wants to add anything about VHS?

Did you know there was HD VHS?!

and why would ppl say betamax was higher quality

Some of the Beta formats were superior to VHS. They had a few more lines of resolution and better separation of the information on the tape. This is just referring to Betamax vs VHS.

The Betacam format was definitely superior, but was a professional (and expensive) system used by television studios.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Betacam

[CRTGAMER]

So...
Anyone wants to add anything about VHS? Did you know there was HD VHS? Why would people say Betamax was higher quality?

I think you meant SVHS
Regular VHS was the norm, Super VHS tapes only worked on players made to play them. Not that many movies were released on SVHS. The same thing is happening now, BlueRay trying to win customers over to upgrade their DVD collection.

Videophile Choice
Hobie is right, Beta was better in pic quality. Laser Discs were the videophile movie collector's choice until DVDs hit the market. CED were also superior quality to tape, until after a few plays which would scratch up the sleeved discs. A known fact of VHS is that the two hour requirement and porn industry killed Beta. Maybe Laser also pulled any video enthusiast from the better quality beta to the Laser disc?

[RCBH928]

No i DID mean HD VHS, not S VHS
which am not sure if it had any real picture difference from regular VHS

I really didn't think the laser disc and CED were higher quality
what was the highest resolution they can get to?
I also didn't imagine laser disc would sell, as the huge size of the medium
and I think it was expensive for the avg. consumer not to mention
expensive player

but heck, I bet laser disc in the 90's was like future technology,
much more exciting than Bluray today.

i never understood how porn industry killed betamax,
I mean do ppl watch that much porn causing a medium to fail?!

as for 2 hours requirement, I think its Sony's fault they didn't include that
looked very obvious from the start. With recording it is even MUCH better. you can't
beat six hours of tape xD

[CRTGAMER]

No i DID mean HD VHS, not S VHS
which am not sure if it had any real picture difference from regular VHS

I really didn't think the laser disc and CED were higher quality
what was the highest resolution they can get to?
I also didn't imagine laser disc would sell, as the huge size of the medium
and I think it was expensive for the avg. consumer not to mention
expensive player

but heck, I bet laser disc in the 90's was like future technology,
much more exciting than Bluray today.

i never understood how porn industry killed betamax,
I mean do ppl watch that much porn causing a medium to fail?!

as for 2 hours requirement, I think its Sony's fault they didn't include that
looked very obvious from the start. With recording it is even MUCH better. you can't
beat six hours of tape xD

Google the specs on VHS, Beta, CED and Laser
This way you can see for yourself, prepare to be surprised how much different each format was capable of. VHS EP recording basically sucked unless played back on a small TV.

Just like SVHS, DVHS would not make it. Movies would have to be recorded and played back on a DVHS player. DVDs, BlueRay and DVR hard drive recorder have basically killed the tape. Who would want to rewind or fast forward when immediate access to a chapter is available? But tape does have its limited uses such as I posted earlier a couple pages back.

Laser Disc was a limited market, I think most avoided it because it could not record. Also most TVs of the day were limited to basic RF and sometimes Composite. The Laser Disc quality potential was not realized on the old fuzzy Zenith TV. I went nuts on it myself, over 300 Laser movies owned. Still the best way to do the search of a particular frame and Jogshuttle slow motion view of a scene.

SVideo Rant
Overall the average user was not as tech savy as todays consumer. I think this is why the SVideo cable came out as a single cable with the four fragile pins. This helped the average consumer from getting confused which plug went where. If only the Commodore Computer dual RCA connector became the SVideo norm. Raise your hand if you ever broke a pin on a SVideo plug.

[RCBH928]

@CRTGAMER

Are you into electronic and media as a hobby?
You seem to know a lot.

will an RF cable give me worse results than composite if I used it
on my VCR?

[AppleQueso]

i never understood how porn industry killed betamax,
I mean do ppl watch that much porn causing a medium to fail?!

The porn industry is absurdly influential. Hell it's one of the main reasons Blu Ray beat out HD DVD. People really do buy that much porn.

Regular VHS was the norm, Super VHS tapes only worked on players made to play them. Not that many movies were released on SVHS. The same thing is happening now, BlueRay trying to win customers over to upgrade their DVD collection.

Blu Ray is definitely doing better than SVHS did, but it's been an uphill battle to replace DVD (which I doubt it ever will, honestly. I'm guessing they'll continue to co-exist until streaming and downloads ultimately replace both.)

Average consumers just aren't all that concerned with video quality I think. DVD won people over by eliminating rewinding and adding neat things like chapter skip and cool bonus features. Blu Ray doesn't have any extra advantages like that, it just looks and sounds better.

[CRTGAMER]

@CRTGAMER

Are you into electronic and media as a hobby?
You seem to know a lot.

will an RF cable give me worse results than composite if I used it
on my VCR?

Thanks, actually I think I'm just nuts. Anything mechanical or electrical I have a passion trying to figure out how it works.

Besides the Composite exception on Laser Disc:

http://www.racketboy.com/forum/viewtopi ... 14#p204314

In testing all the various video input options, results the worst to the best:

Resolution limited to 480i and below
RF - Don't bother unless you play games with eyes closed.
Composite - lot of color bleeding and blur.
S-Video - clean images.

Resolution can go 480p up to 1080P
Component and RGB - Analog Image resolution better then 480i
DVI and HDMI - Best image being all digital

Regular VHS was the norm, Super VHS tapes only worked on players made to play them. Not that many movies were released on SVHS. The same thing is happening now, BlueRay trying to win customers over to upgrade their DVD collection.

Blu Ray is definitely doing better than SVHS did, but it's been an uphill battle to replace DVD (which I doubt it ever will, honestly. I'm guessing they'll continue to co-exist until streaming and downloads ultimately replace both.)

Average consumers just aren't all that concerned with video quality I think. DVD won people over by eliminating rewinding and adding neat things like chapter skip and cool bonus features. Blu Ray doesn't have any extra advantages like that, it just looks and sounds better.

I do think the average consumer is more keen to technology then when DVDs came out. With the advent of HDTVs, its now get the best you can for the system. BlueRay is better then DVD, but for me its not drastic enough to start all over again. I am content with 480p DVD.

I do see streaming eventually killing the DVD and BlueRay market, a shame when it does. All the extra stuff one gets on DVD gets lost. Streaming also kills the used "discover a treasure years later" market too.

[AppleQueso]

I do see streaming eventually killing the DVD and BlueRay market, a shame when it does. All the extra stuff one gets on DVD gets lost. Streaming also kills the used "discover a treasure years later" market too.

I'm no market analyst or anything, but I could see a potential future where blu ray (or some other physical medium) continues to exist when streaming takes over and becomes more of a niche format for collectors and people who like physical products. I'd be fine with that.

[RCBH928]

i think dvd will die as soon as more ppl buy hdtv through the years, all new tv is hd
plus bluray player price will continue to go down, and they play dvd too.so y no upgrade?


but i dont think ppl will abandon bluray for download simply because ppl want something tangible, same reason why people here wont buy digital games.
The two will coexist, but its hard to see bluray rental shops in the future because download is the wat to go. they will die just like internet cafes died

@crtgamer
which consoles r upgradable to component ad my tv has no svideo or vga,dvi, or hdmi.
its old crt but got component. i sure wish n64 could look better
i can avtually see it bleeding and bluring.

btw, isnt RF same as the cable u connevt to ur current tv recievers?

[BurningDoom]

Question about VHS:

I'm still using the old box TVs. I've heard that HD TVs make older consoles actually look worse. Do HD TVs also make VHS look worse?