The Last Horseman wrote:No offense to anybody, but I think a lot of the blame can be put on his Dad for leaving acess to said gun avialable to his son if there was any indication that this could happen. If the son had say, stolen a key to get into the gun cabinet, that is still the father's fault in my book.
Unless it was obvious that the kid was thinking about suicide, I wouldn't blame the parent. No one forced the kid to pull the trigger, after all. Suicide can have many factors to it, but the ultimate blame lies with the one committing it.
Yeah not to go on a gun control tirade but, guns in the house seem to cause more problems than keeping the British at bay.
AmericanMuffin wrote:I heard what really happened, the heart thing was a rumor. He actually shot himself.
My condolences for the loss of your classmate. Very sad for a young person (seeing as you are only 13) to take such drastic decisions. I only wonder how he got to the gun though. Don't want to point no finger at noone, but still...
He stole it from his Dad two weeks before. The reason I can say all this is because I didn't know him too well, but I still did talk to him. He was also a grade higher than me, and he was in high school. But I knew him enough to care. He wasn't depressed for all I knew.
No offense to anybody, but I think a lot of the blame can be put on his Dad for leaving acess to said gun avialable to his son if there was any indication that this could happen. If the son had say, stolen a key to get into the gun cabinet, that is still the father's fault in my book.[/quote]
Let's get off it, it happened, and there's nothing we can do about it. Idk if I should go to his funeral, though, I probably will. I also agree with BoringSupreez, his parents are very good ones. He was a good kid, I have no clue what happened to make him do that.
The Last Horseman wrote:No offense to anybody, but I think a lot of the blame can be put on his Dad for leaving acess to said gun avialable to his son if there was any indication that this could happen. If the son had say, stolen a key to get into the gun cabinet, that is still the father's fault in my book.
Unless it was obvious that the kid was thinking about suicide, I wouldn't blame the parent. No one forced the kid to pull the trigger, after all. Suicide can have many factors to it, but the ultimate blame lies with the one committing it.
Yeah not to go on a gun control tirade but, guns in the house seem to cause more problems than keeping the British at bay.
I don't know if you saw my edit, but I also said:
Consider this: had the dad known his son was thinking about suicide, and had put away the gun, it wouldn't have stopped him. If that kid was determined, he'd just have done it with pills or a knife or by jumping off a bridge.
prfsnl_gmr wrote:There is nothing feigned about it. What I wrote is a display of actual moral superiority.
Nah didn't see the edit. True, anyone determined will find a way. Hell, you can kill yourself by downing a bottle of caffeine pills too.
Still, you don't see news like, "Thank god we had the gun in the house or everyone would be dead", it's usually, "x-person found available gun somewhere in the house, playing around or just handling it... inadvertent tragedy happened, regret all around".
AmericanMuffin wrote:He wasn't depressed for all I knew.
We usually do a decent job of hiding it.
I actually took meds for depression for 10 years before I finally got off them a couple years ago. You wouldn't guess that I was depressed except for the days when I forgot to take my pill (though I had some high dosages).
Sorry to hear about it; suicide sucks and I hope I never have to hear about someone I know doing the deed.
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BoringSupreez wrote:Consider this: had the dad known his son was thinking about suicide, and had put away the gun, it wouldn't have stopped him. If that kid was determined, he'd just have done it with pills or a knife or by jumping off a bridge.
I'm not so sure about that. A gun is quick and painless, like pressing a button. Jumping off a cliff, slashing your wrists or taking pills isn't. I would never want a gun in my house, because I know there have been moments that I would've been very tempted to use it. Knowing that of myself scares me enough to NEVER have that 'easy way out' at my disposal in my house...
As for the dad not being responsible if his son didn't show any signs. Sorry, I don't buy that. Teens are on an emotional rollercoaster during their puberty. They should be protected against themselves sometimes during those years...
This doesn't mean I don't feel for the parents. On the contrary. I feel their pain and I wished they didn't have to go through this. Even the best parents make mistakes. They have my deepest sympathy...
BoringSupreez wrote:Consider this: had the dad known his son was thinking about suicide, and had put away the gun, it wouldn't have stopped him. If that kid was determined, he'd just have done it with pills or a knife or by jumping off a bridge.
I'm not so sure about that. A gun is quick and painless, like pressing a button.
AmericanMuffin wrote:
Let's get off it, it happened, and there's nothing we can do about it. Idk if I should go to his funeral, though, I probably will. I also agree with BoringSupreez, his parents are very good ones. He was a good kid, I have no clue what happened to make him do that.
Funerals for non relatives are a great place to meet girls in vulnerable emotional states, I say go.
Get a light kart, drift one way, after you get the boost, immediately drift the other way.
It's really tough to master it. I'd suggest playing online; you'll need to learn it quite quickly to keep up.
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