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CFFJR wrote:While I agree with you, I don't think we've actually heard Doom's decision. Did I miss it?

Believe me, I don't have any qualms about this issue myself. I'm just curious what Doom ultimately decided for himself.

If he said it already, then I'm blind. :lol:
Good question. I'm more surprised he hasn't decided to do something about his copyright-violating avatar picture...

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@BoringSupreez: Thanks for saving me from having to look up the exact passage. That is of course, only one of a few examples--most of which involve various types of Sabbath-breaking.

EDIT: More to my point is Mark 2:27, where it is explained that "The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath." In this story we have the Son of God more or less stating the purpose of one of God's laws, and clearly demonstrating that the purpose is more important than the wording.
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BoringSupreez wrote: Matthew Chapter 12, verses 1-8:
1 At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the corn; and his disciples were an hungred, and began to pluck the ears of corn, and to eat.

2 But when the Pharisees saw [it], they said unto him, Behold, thy disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.

3 But he said unto them, Have ye not read what David did, when he was an hungred, and they that were with him;

4 How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the shewbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them which were with him, but only for the priests?

5 Or have ye not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?

6 But I say unto you, That in this place is [one] greater than the temple.

7 But if ye had known what [this] meaneth, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, ye would not have condemned the guiltless.

8 For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.
And what law was broken here?
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Limewater wrote:And what law was broken here?
Exodus 20:10

"but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates."

Harvesting grain is work, so it violates the letter of the law.
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flamepanther wrote:
Limewater wrote:And what law was broken here?
Exodus 20:10

"but the seventh day is a Sabbath to the LORD your God. On it you shall not do any work, neither you, nor your son or daughter, nor your manservant or maidservant, nor your animals, nor the alien within your gates."

Harvesting grain is work, so it violates the letter of the law.
So where is work defined? Where in scripture can you show me that feeding yourself violates the letter of the law here? More clearly, can you show the distinction in the law between pulling food from a plan versus pulling food from a dish?

You're right, Christ does say in that the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath. Can you show me where Christ violated the letter of the law by healing someone on the sabbath? It's pretty clear that many people considered him to be violating the law, but I don't see a purely scriptural justification for that.
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Look, a religious debate is useless here. I believe what I believe, and I even showed the verses from the Bible that support my belief. Now I fully understand that not everyone is gonna agree with what I believe and I have in no way tried to push that on anyone else. I'd hope to get the same amount of respect from others. Let's just leave this to the original question about whether the games are legal or not, and not turn it into a religious debate, because no one ever wins those.

As to what my decision is, it seems to me that the games are safe ground after hearing everything. I won't have any guilt if I buy a Tengen game.
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BurningDoom wrote:As to what my decision is, it seems to me that the games are safe ground after hearing everything. I won't have any guilt if I buy a Tengen game.
I'm glad you agree with me! Clearly I have influenced you greatly.

How do you feel about using emulators for games that you actually own?
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Breetai wrote:
BurningDoom wrote:As to what my decision is, it seems to me that the games are safe ground after hearing everything. I won't have any guilt if I buy a Tengen game.
I'm glad you agree with me! Clearly I have influenced you greatly.

How do you feel about using emulators for games that you actually own?
I have them installed on both my PC and my OG XBox. And I only have ROMs for games I actually own.
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BurningDoom wrote: As to what my decision is, it seems to me that the games are safe ground after hearing everything. I won't have any guilt if I buy a Tengen game.
Ah, thank you for letting us know.

I don't have an opinion either way (other than to say I'm glad you'll be able to enjoy certain games) but I was very curious to hear your final thought on it. The way the topic and discussion progressed, I figured there was a good chance you might go in either direction.
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Limewater wrote:So where is work defined? Where in scripture can you show me that feeding yourself violates the letter of the law here? More clearly, can you show the distinction in the law between pulling food from a plan versus pulling food from a dish?

You're right, Christ does say in that the sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath. Can you show me where Christ violated the letter of the law by healing someone on the sabbath? It's pretty clear that many people considered him to be violating the law, but I don't see a purely scriptural justification for that.
That's the very issue of placing the letter of the law over the intent. If the law says "do no work" and doesn't define work, we're left only to go with the common definition. In this case, the general idea that "work" is any expenditure of effort in order to get something done was the same for the Pharisees as the English word "work" is generally used by people today. It's not insignificant that Jesus does not refute this concept of what constitutes work. Instead, he illustrates instances where work is justified even on the Sabbath, and cites other laws as having more weight than the command to "do no work."

One could make a better argument against the "spirit of the law" interpretation based on Jesus' prioritizing of some laws above others than by arguing the definition of work. Even then, this requires some reading between the lines, since apart from the examples cited by Jesus, we aren't given priority levels for every commandment. Some thought and common sense is required, and I think that's partly the point of these stories.

In any case, the point is that feeding yourself or doing good toward others does not violate the law--if one considers the context and uses some sense. That's the difference between doing what the law says from a completely literal reading, and doing what the law is obviously supposed to actually mean.
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*EDIT* Deleted a bunch of nit-picky stuff that really just obfuscates anything I'm actually trying to say. I do that a lot. I'll come back to this topic later when I have some time.
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