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[isiolia]

So bacon topic.

mmmmm

Bacon topic....

[ZeroAX]

Going on in what respect? Just in general, or concerning Greece's debt problems that have been making the news the last year or so?

It's a huuuuuuuuuuuge story which will derail the thread even more. It's 95% our fault, for electing corrupt politicians, but it's also 5% the EU's fault for coming up with a stupid plan (so far). I can write a huuuuuge post about what is wrong, and the fact that the protests of this year have nothing to do with the protests of last year, but let's not derail it.


And your example is fucking moronic really, cause Greece has a veeeeeeeeeeery low divorce rate (I know only like 2 couples who have divorced, and one of them was because the husband had an accident and his brain became fucked up and he turned violent without it being his fault, so his wife had to divorce him), specially compared to the US which has 4+ times our divorce rate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_rate

Also it's not that our families don't get married in the first place, like many Scandinavian countries who have the single parent benefits I talked about. http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/ ... the-world/

And just lol, look at our teen pregnancy statistics. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teenage_pregnancy

So I think talking about sex in every medium, just makes people more aware about what they should do, than the other way around.




P.S

Please no jokes about Greek statistics. Yeah the economic ones were fudged (even to Greeks, not just people outside the country), but we don't really need to fudge these

[BoringSupreez]

The laziness, civil violence, and sense of entitlement that seems to pervade Europe these days

Really? Because I live here and I don't see any laziness, no violence and no more sense than entitlement than the rest of the world.

The violence problem doesn't involve all of Europe, I know that. I was mainly thinking of the UK and Greece when I mentioned that.

Loose sexual morals lead to incomplete families, missing one of the parents. The gimped upbringing the children receive leads to other problems, like the ones I mentioned before.

So...you those people who complain and manifest on the streets are there, not because of an economical crisis, not because corruption driving down a country, not because of controversial goverment bailouts or budget cuts, but because they only had a single parent.

And those evil single parents who apparently can't raise a child that doesn't turn out lazy and violent are not there for any other cause than allowing people to choose who they can and who they can't have sex with.

Sure.[/quote]
And the forementioned economic crisis (which resulted from irresponsible spending) and corruption has nothing to do with how people are raised? People caused the problem, after all, and the way people turn out, and therefore act when they are an adult, is heavily influenced by the way their parents raise them and act themselves. And I do realize that single parenthood is not the only cause or anything, I just think it's a factor.

The worst behaved kids you'll see are often the ones who receive little discipline from their parents, and if a parent doesn't live at home, that's one less person keeping an eye on his behavior.

There must be millions of children out there with a parent that doesn't live at home. Millions I say!

And, of course, choosing who you want to have sex with is to blame.[/quote]
Just because there's millions of examples doesn't make it right.

Anyway, just look at the problems with rioting multiple European countries has had lately, over not getting the money they feel they deserve from the government. I think that qualifies as social decay.

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It's certainly a symptom. If a large group of people think it's fine to smash windows and burn things because they aren't getting the pension they think they should be getting, I think there's something wrong with the way they think.

[ZeroAX]

It's certainly a symptom. If a large group of people think it's fine to smash windows and burn things because they aren't getting the pension they think they should be getting, I think there's something wrong with the way they think.

Fail. Dude you fail soooooooo hard. You seriously have no fucking idea what is happening. Don't confuse people protesting peacefully for a month, which the anarchists, nationalists and the police playing war in the city center, in order to scare the people away (proved by the much stronger police brutality than usual, and the fact that they threw waaaaaaaay more tear gas than it was needed).

[BoringSupreez]

And your example is fucking moronic really, cause Greece has a veeeeeeeeeeery low divorce rate (I know only like 2 couples who have divorced, and one of them was because the husband had an accident and his brain became fucked up and he turned violent without it being his fault, so his wife had to divorce him), specially compared to the US which has 4+ times our divorce rate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Divorce_rate

Also it's not that our families don't get married in the first place, like many Scandinavian countries who have the single parent benefits I talked about. http://economix.blogs.nytimes.com/2010/ ... the-world/

All right, fine. But you don't seem to realize that I was talking about Europe in general. If your country is an exception to something I said, that's ok.

So I think talking about sex in every medium, just makes people more aware about what they should do, than the other way around.

I agree with this. Talking about it to make people aware of how they should act is fine. It's what's said in about sex in those mediums that I disagree with. They usually condone sex with whoever you feel like, with no regard for the consequences (unwanted kids, STDs).

[ZeroAX]

with no regard for the consequences (unwanted kids, STDs).

CONDOMS

And I don't know if you checked the US's rank on those lists, but it was always close to the top. And I told you the reason countries like Sweden are high. Do you guys have single parent wellfare worth not marrying for?

[Erik_Twice]

And the forementioned economic crisis (which resulted from irresponsible spending) and corruption has nothing to do with how people are raised?

So...let me get this straight. Choosing who you have sex with for yourself leads to corruption and irresponsible spending.

Sure.

There must be millions of children out there with a parent that doesn't live at home. Millions I say!

And, of course, choosing who you want to have sex with is to blame.

Just because there's millions of examples doesn't make it right.

You missed my quite obvious irony. There are barely any children who have a parent living outside the house and if you think Europe's numbers are huge, you should look back to the US, with it's sky-high divorce rates.

Also you have yet to make me understand how choosing who you can have sex with leads to more single parents even in the preposterious case they turn the economy upside-down.

It's what's said in about sex in those mediums that I disagree with. They usually condone sex with whoever you feel like, with no regard for the consequences (unwanted kids, STDs).

What are those "mediums"? I also fail to see why they should go over the consequences anymore than everytime you show a car race you have to go over the consequences of speeding and not using your safety belt.

We have schools for that, not fiction.

[Hobie-wan]

For those that want to continue this line of discussion, fair enough. But can we get it split out of this thread and get back to what's important?

[ZeroAX]

For those that want to continue this line of discussion, fair enough. But can we get it split out of this thread and get back to what's important?

I believe this article displays some of the weaknesses of PEGI, http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011- ... gh-article and the mistakes they have done to plenty of recent games.

[DinnerX]

Well violence makes up a lot of human history. Hunting, wars, some sports, and even kids wrestling are all violent to different degrees. There isn't much hiding it, unless you want to live in under a rock.

AND SEX DOESN'T????????????????????????

What I mean here is that it is not significant for the historical record. We care about when people were born. Not about all the details of what their parents did one night.

Cause one is normal, it doesn't hurt anyone (unless you are a moron and don't use protection, and you get STDs)

I don't think you could say it doesn't hurt anyone. I've seen people's lives, reputations, and families get totally destroyed over doing something "natural."

and the other while it might be an instinct, it's one of those instincts we need to learn to control if we don't want to be animals.

Having intercourse left and right seems pretty animal like to me. Although even some animals mate for life.

Also, something being natural doesn't necessarily make it right or acceptable to discuss.

My main point is they are two very different things, and society has very different standards as to how much of either can be displayed. Very different standards for very different subjects. What is the issue with that?

A thread split might be good.