Nintendo is SCREWING the US

[flamepanther]

Nintendo will already have english translations for the game manual and box and facilities to produce them. They already have 60hz versions of the games. Mass producing and distributing dvds, cases, and manuals should not cost that much. The cost should be well covered by charging $20 to $50 a game. Since they aren't even planning to release them in the US, they must feel pretty confident that the development cost is already going to be covered by Japan and Europe. As long as they don't go overboard on advertizing, I don't see how Nintendo could not make money in the US.

You're forgetting about the costs of marketing, for one. Also, speaking in terms of manufacturing and economics, the fewer they make, the more it costs them per copy. They also have to consider limited shelf space in most stores that sell games. To put these games on shelves, they would effectively have to bump out three other titles--quite likely three other titles that would have made more money, so that's a loss. There are probably other factors that you and I aren't aware of.

[ZenErik]

I think these titles can outsell Babysitting Mama. Also, NIS America seems to do alright with their extremely niche titles. These games would easily outsell releases like Atelier Rorona, IMO.

[brunoafh]

Okay flamepanther, we read you. We're all a bunch of whining bitches and NoA is totally in the right for leaving these games on the table. We understand that it's preposterous to have hoped that we might get to enjoy these games without having to modify our consoles or import them.

10-4.

[vlame]

They could make the games available on their website as an online exclusive. The games are already translated and WE KNOW it doesn't really cost any where near $50 to make a disc. Hell, have Ninty Europe make publish it and have the game boot in 50/60. The limiting factor here is video. Nintendo is telling us no one is worth a simple video selector?

[flamepanther]

Okay flamepanther, we read you. We're all a bunch of whining bitches

Calling it like I see it.

We understand that it's preposterous to have hoped that we might get to enjoy these games without having to modify our consoles or import them.

It's not preposterous to have hoped. I hoped too. It's preposterous to declare a company wrong and/or evil when you don't get what you wanted, and then rant and rave about how you'll never give them your money again. That just leads to more unreleased games.

You want to change Nintendo's mind? Go out and pay full price for new copies of the RPGs and other hardcore-oriented games that are on the Wii already, and get every gamer you know to do the same. Web petitions might tell Nintendo there's a group of people angry that the games aren't getting a release, but it doesn't show them you would actually buy it if they released it. The effectiveness of Net petitions is close to zero. You need to petition them with your wallet and show them what type of games you want.

[DinnerX]

You're forgetting about the costs of marketing, for one.

I didn't forget about marketing. That's why I said if they don't advertise too much, they could make money.

Also, speaking in terms of manufacturing and economics, the fewer they make, the more it costs them per copy.

Very true, but even a small print run is still fairly large and not that much more cost.

They also have to consider limited shelf space in most stores that sell games. To put these games on shelves, they would effectively have to bump out three other titles--quite likely three other titles that would have made more money, so that's a loss. There are probably other factors that you and I aren't aware of.

I was just going to post they might be spending their time and money doing more important/profitable things, but you beat me to it. It just seems jerky to make a little more money at the cost of telling fans "we don't care." Yes, store might have to bump off other games. There are plenty of near worthless wii games to bump off. I'm sure
stores would bump off some random minigame collection 3rd party release before any of the Nintendo stuff goes off the shelf.

I'm sure there are other factors we don't know. Maybe there's some huge thing no one knows about.

I for one am just mildly annoyed. It's not like the world ended or something.

[brunoafh]

It's preposterous to declare a company wrong and/or evil when you don't get what you wanted, and then rant and rave about how you'll never give them your money again. That just leads to more unreleased games.

That's the thing though. Barely any of the posters here have been ranting or raving. I don't see any whining bitches around. Most of us are just trying to figure out what needs to be done to play these PAL region games on our NTSC-U consoles.

[flamepanther]

That's why I said if they don't advertise too much, they could make money.

It's a good thought, but Sega tried that for awhile and look what happened.

I was just going to post they might be spending their time and money doing more important/profitable things, but you beat me to it. It just seems jerky to make a little more money at the cost of telling fans "we don't care."

Sure, it might seem that way from our perspective. On the other hand, if there was more demand for whatever they're not doing/selling because of us, then they'd be "screwing" more people by doing what we want. Nintendo also has a reputation to maintain with retailers that titles published by Nintendo are strong sellers. That's problematic even if all they bump off the shelves are minigame collections. The minigame collections published by Nintendo sell. The crappy third party ones that end up in the bargain bin aren't published by Nintendo. That may be a bigger concern than cost.

I for one am just mildly annoyed. It's not like the world ended or something.

Likewise. Nearly everyone complaining about this will still get to play the game anyway.

[flamepanther]

That's the thing though. Barely any of the posters here have been ranting or raving. I don't see any whining bitches around. Most of us are just trying to figure out what needs to be done to play these PAL region games on our NTSC-U consoles.

Well the thread title isn't helping your case much, but no it's not everyone in this thread. I don't think "barely any" really describes the amount of bitching though (names omitted, but you can go back and find them):

fuck nintendo, im glad i modded my fucking wii so they don't get another fucking dime from me.

"Thanks for being fans, but we don't give a shit" pretty much.

The problem is that NoA are being complete jackasses about it.

The same thing happened with Disaster: Day Of Crisis and the sequel to Trace Memories, NOA seems to give 2 fucks about fan base.

Based on the last few years, I'm definitely not purchasing a WII U. And if Megaman Legends 3 DOES see the light of day, I will buy the game to support Capcom and borrow my friends 3DS. Sony has always been consistent for me ever since I got my first Playstation in 1996! I'm staying loyal in the future. The new xbox better be something special because the exclusives are barely keeping me interested, LARGELY thanks to the Gears of War trilogy!

The fourth missing game in the U.S. is Fatal Frame wii edition. Nnintendo of North America are lazy enough to not port game.

Should have been on the PS3/360 anyways. Fuck Nintendo for buying Monolith Soft

And that's just here where the atmosphere is generally more pro-Nintendo than in other gaming forums in the outside world. Even since the N64 era, fans who have set themselves up as more "hardcore" than others have increasingly declared that Nintendo's platforms aren't for serious gamers--even in cases where Nintendo had superior hardware and plenty of mature games to offer. I've seen all over the place "I won't give them a cent for abandoning us" and "I hope they fail." I feel that this is partly a result of that general attitude.

[DinnerX]

That's why I said if they don't advertise too much, they could make money.

It's a good thought, but Sega tried that for awhile and look what happened.

I'm not sure what you're refering to here. Is it Mad World? I'm all curious now. I probably knew and have just forgotten.