Nintendo is SCREWING the US

[flamepanther]

There's no excuse for the way Nintendo's handled this situation, and the fact that other corporations' actions have been inexcusable is of no consolation.

Except that unfortunately there sort of is an excuse for it--and WE gave it to them. Time and again, the "hardcore" gamers have been derisive toward the Wii, rejected it as sub-par and fit only for casual gamers and children. Our market has refused to buy the few really deep, challenging, rich games that the Wii has offered us, and now Nintendo does not believe enough people will make an exception for these ones. If we had supported these types of games more than we did earlier on, they would be more than happy to take our money for these ones now. Instead, we've clearly demonstrated to them that too many of the gamers who would want these games are PS3 and 360 fanboys and Nintendo haters for it to be worth the manufacturing costs.

Asking a for-profit corporation for a product they don't expect to be able to sell doesn't make sense from their point of view, because we're basically asking them to lose money. The best thing they can do is politely explain that they have no plans, and that's what they've done. Some companies wouldn't even bother thanking us for our interest before stating "no plans" (ever read a Steve Jobs e-mail?) Does it suck? Yes. Is it some horrible, inconsiderate thing Nintendo is doing to us? No. It's a horrible thing we've done to ourselves by voting ourselves out of the market for these games with our money--or lack of it. Maybe when the Wii U comes around we'll get another chance to show our interest. Not the way things are going in this thread, though...

[DinnerX]

Or in other words, "Thank you for writing a giant, multi-million dollar company. You will continue to buy our products and enriching us no matter what we do, so haha sucker!" Why should Nintendo be any different than any other uncaring profit-seeking corp?

They shouldn't, but it still saddens me.

I'm always fascinated when I see people who acknowledge that the majority of corporations absolutely don't give a shit about anything but the dollar, and almost seem to use it as a defense for companies when they switch over to the proverbial dark side. My philosophy in life is (pardon the cheese): "Don't let them black your heart; glow in the dark." If the standard is shit, then rise above the standard, always. There's no excuse for the way Nintendo's handled this situation, and the fact that other corporations' actions have been inexcusable is of no consolation. No one should behave this way, and no one should be encouraging such inconsiderate behavior by granting them the money they thirst for -- if a person in your daily life treated you this way, you wouldn't buy them a candy bar in response. If you keep lowering your standards for how you should be treated as a customer, things will never get better.

I meant that I saw no reason Nintendo would be different from other companies. Sorry for the very poor wording. Would not should. I certainly think the standard for companies is poor and upsetting. Very few companies revolve around their fans instead of money. I wish it was the other way around.

[yomomma1]

Our market has refused to buy the few really deep, challenging, rich games that the Wii has offered us, and now Nintendo does not believe enough people will make an exception for these ones.

Which games?

[o.pwuaioc]

Our market has refused to buy the few really deep, challenging, rich games that the Wii has offered us, and now Nintendo does not believe enough people will make an exception for these ones.

Which games?

Clearly Nintendogs.

[flamepanther]

Our market has refused to buy the few really deep, challenging, rich games that the Wii has offered us, and now Nintendo does not believe enough people will make an exception for these ones.

Which games?

I remember seeing Muramasa go into the bargain bins almost instantly--as have other hardcore-oriented games such as Mad World (I know, not "deep" but definitely for the "serious" gamers). If you want a list of favorably-reviewed RPGs on the Wii, try looking here: http://www.amazon.com/Wiis-Best-RPGs/lm/R2AG2V1QS48352

I see nothing but bargain basement prices on that list, except for Rune Factory and Fire Emblem. That tells me that the Wii's best RPGs aren't exactly flying off the shelves over here.

[yomomma1]

Rune factory had a small print run.

But are any of those games deep rpg experiences?

Using vgchartz(I know...)(amount sold in america)

Arc rise fantasia sold 100k copies
Monster hunter tri sold 470k copies
Fire emblem radiant dawn sold 260k copies.

Those are the three on the list that aren't about 10 dollars and what I would consider of having depth. While I don't consider arc rise fantasia a good or great rpg it still is okay.Arc rise and Fire emblem, at least according to vgchartz sold more in America than in Japan.

The last failure that nintendo released was..... Sin and punishment star successor which did not sell well in either japan or America. Another game is Metroid other M but it too sold more in America than Japan.

So what games did not sell well in America, but well enough in japan that would have them make this decision?

[CFFJR]

Those interested in importing the game may contact me once the game is out. I'm willing to send a few copies out to you guys free of profit. There is however a chance the back cover and booklet will be in Dutch. Some games here come with English covers and manuals, others not. I'll let you guys know once the game is out...

That's awesome of you. I'll take you up on it!

[Original_Name]

There's no excuse for the way Nintendo's handled this situation, and the fact that other corporations' actions have been inexcusable is of no consolation.

Except that unfortunately there sort of is an excuse for it--and WE gave it to them. Time and again, the "hardcore" gamers have been derisive toward the Wii, rejected it as sub-par and fit only for casual gamers and children. Our market has refused to buy the few really deep, challenging, rich games that the Wii has offered us, and now Nintendo does not believe enough people will make an exception for these ones. If we had supported these types of games more than we did earlier on, they would be more than happy to take our money for these ones now. Instead, we've clearly demonstrated to them that too many of the gamers who would want these games are PS3 and 360 fanboys and Nintendo haters for it to be worth the manufacturing costs.

Asking a for-profit corporation for a product they don't expect to be able to sell doesn't make sense from their point of view, because we're basically asking them to lose money. The best thing they can do is politely explain that they have no plans, and that's what they've done. Some companies wouldn't even bother thanking us for our interest before stating "no plans" (ever read a Steve Jobs e-mail?) Does it suck? Yes. Is it some horrible, inconsiderate thing Nintendo is doing to us? No. It's a horrible thing we've done to ourselves by voting ourselves out of the market for these games with our money--or lack of it. Maybe when the Wii U comes around we'll get another chance to show our interest. Not the way things are going in this thread, though...

Perhaps I've let the frustration of the people here get to me, but prefacing the denial of plans for these games with "Hey fans, we appreciate your enthusiasm. Look for more updates to come soon!" a week beforehand just seems needlessly insensitive considering these peoples' expectations. Granted, that could very well have been simply meaning well and communicating poorly. My comment was coming more out of questioning the way certain people view companies that they feel have wronged them in general than personal outrage at Nintendo -- because the outrage seemed pretty much unanimous, I just went with the general consensus for the "what Nintendo did was inexcusable" comment in my phrasing of my orientation towards capitalist ethics.

[ZeroAX]

But yeah. I'll probably look into getting a Wii again when this comes out, soft mod it (sounds easy from the little bit I was reading into yesterday), and get this then also get The Last Story and play probably the two best games ever on the Wii.

This online store is pretty cheap (at least the cheapest I've found in Europe), and they ship to the US, http://www.zavvi.com/home.dept

This way you avoid having to pay the P&P from the store to the racketeer, and then from the racketeer to you

[equalsign]

As much as I'd like to play Xenoblade, have you guys been reading Nintendo's facebook page along with all the comments on the major gaming outlets? So many people have been saying "You're forcing me to steal the game then!" and "Screw you Nintendo I'm modding my Wii and will not pay for your games until you bring these games over!" and "This is why I modded my Wii a long time ago! If you don't know how - *insert link to Wii mod guide*." It's ridiculous.

I'm not trying to call anyone in this thread out, but I get the feeling that many of those people were already planning on stealing the game and have already stolen games (please no piracy vs theft arguments). I kinda have to side with NOA on this one. I don't think this game would have sold well. I think too much of its audience is too hip on modding and no longer ready to shell out 50 for a Wii game. It sucks for those of us who thought the game looked cool and aren't liars and jerks.

And honestly, with the Gamecube Kirby revived this year, Fortune Street, Skyward Sword, and Rhythm Heaven I feel pretty good about the Wii's 2011 lineup.