Whelp, another reason to boycott Capcom.

[brunoafh]

I wish people got this passionate, contemplative, and critical about shit that really mattered in this world

What, you mean here, on Earth? Hahahaha!

[flamepanther]

Ivo, I think it's fair to say that most of us do understand the point you are trying to make. I think it's also fair to say that almost-if-not-all of us still disagree with you. In that case I think you're correct that continuing is pointless. I don't seem to be good enough at explaining the holes in your reasoning that are clear to the rest of us, and there's no need for you to explain your interpretation over again since we already get it.

I think internal consistency matters a lot

Are you familiar with Solipsism? Internal consistency matters (for the record, my interpretation is perfectly consistent, but I'm bad at explaining it) but it is not all that matters. An argument can be perfect internally, but completely wrong externally.

[o.pwuaioc]

Ivo, I think it's fair to say that most of us do understand the point you are trying to make. I think it's also fair to say that almost-if-not-all of us still disagree with you.

I'm not sure it's fair to speak for everyone.

[MrPopo]

I think internal consistency matters a lot

Are you familiar with Solipsism? Internal consistency matters (for the record, my interpretation is perfectly consistent, but I'm bad at explaining it) but it is not all that matters. An argument can be perfect internally, but completely wrong externally.

So... if she weighs the same as a duck... she's made of wood.
And therefore?
A witch!

[Ivo]

Ivo, I think it's fair to say that most of us do understand the point you are trying to make. I think it's also fair to say that almost-if-not-all of us still disagree with you. In that case I think you're correct that continuing is pointless. I don't seem to be good enough at explaining the holes in your reasoning that are clear to the rest of us, and there's no need for you to explain your interpretation over again since we already get it.

I think internal consistency matters a lot

Are you familiar with Solipsism? Internal consistency matters (for the record, my interpretation is perfectly consistent, but I'm bad at explaining it) but it is not all that matters. An argument can be perfect internally, but completely wrong externally.

That remark was not for you, but rather to the "dig" that I should care about what other people think I should care about. I'm pretty sure I can make a similar (unfair) remark to anyone here in the forums, because if they are here they probably care about video games, and then of course, what *really matters* are "serious" problems that the Earth has and so on.

I'm also not saying that internal consistency is all that matters, but if you don't have it, then the rest is moot. My interpretation is internally consistent AND it also describes the events (without violating causality, which when you boil it down, is your major if not only issue with my interpretation really - I identified that as soon as you accepted the examples that MrPopo did not).

I also take issue at your generalisation as if there was an overwhelming majority on your side (not to mention that numbers of backers do not make things correct, as often demonstrated throughout history)... If there are 2 other posters (beyond us) here that read all of our lengthy posts entirely I would be surprised

Ivo.

[ZeroAX]

Ivo, I think it's fair to say that most of us do understand the point you are trying to make. I think it's also fair to say that almost-if-not-all of us still disagree with you.

I haven't even read your's and Ivo's posts, but please don't use such a childish argument. No one is joining the discussion, and farther more to say that "almost if not all of us" agrees with your opinion is just trying to put words in our mouths. Unless each member who sees this thread starts posting that, you can't say it.

[noiseredux]

I know at one point this thread was about the save data in the new RE game for 3DS, right? Cuz there's a third party accessory that has this shit covered apparently. So crisis averted. http://www.joystiq.com/2011/07/04/if-yo ... s-3d-save/

[brunoafh]

I know at one point this thread was about the save data in the new RE game for 3DS, right? Cuz there's a third party accessory that has this shit covered apparently. So crisis averted. http://www.joystiq.com/2011/07/04/if-yo ... s-3d-save/

Excellent. The best thing is that the solution is free, and campfires are relatively easy to get started.

[gtmtnbiker]

According to this thread:
http://gbatemp.net/t300084-permanent-3ds-save-files

there are other games that use the permanent 3DS save file method:

The Internet is talking about Capcom's Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D. The game features a save file that can not be deleted. Some major stores are refusing to take trade-ins of the game while Capcom has issued a statement that they have learnt from their mistakes and will probably not feature this type of system in the future.

Capcom is not the only gaming company to use this permanent save file method, they just seem to have attracted the most attention. It has been reported that Super Monkey Ball 3D (SEGA), Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 3D (Konami), and BlazBlue: Continuum Shift 2 (Arc System Works) are all using a similar save file method. Perhaps it is time to let these developers know that consumers want the options of rentals, trade-ins, and resale. Most of all that consumers want full control over the deletion of their save files.

Let us know what you think about this issue.

[pepharytheworm]

According to this thread:
http://gbatemp.net/t300084-permanent-3ds-save-files

there are other games that use the permanent 3DS save file method:

The Internet is talking about Capcom's Resident Evil: The Mercenaries 3D. The game features a save file that can not be deleted. Some major stores are refusing to take trade-ins of the game while Capcom has issued a statement that they have learnt from their mistakes and will probably not feature this type of system in the future.

Capcom is not the only gaming company to use this permanent save file method, they just seem to have attracted the most attention. It has been reported that Super Monkey Ball 3D (SEGA), Pro Evolution Soccer 2011 3D (Konami), and BlazBlue: Continuum Shift 2 (Arc System Works) are all using a similar save file method. Perhaps it is time to let these developers know that consumers want the options of rentals, trade-ins, and resale. Most of all that consumers want full control over the deletion of their save files.

Let us know what you think about this issue.

I may be wrong but weren't there some N64 games that also have a permanent save? Or at least they were hard to figure out how to erase.