Whelp, another reason to boycott Capcom.

[Nutty]

Didnt the developer/publisher already get the money for that used game? It had to of been bought once to be used right?

Well, any person who buy's a used copy would have to buy a brand new copy instead if used game trading didn't exist.

Oh, and apparently EB games Australia is taking an Inazuma styled approach.

GS is already backtracking but I'm still on their side on this issue.
I bought Gran Turismo 2 used and bought every subsequent GT game thereafter brand new. If the quality and replay value are there, I'll buy a brand new game all day without fear of trade in. If I trade in a game to GS, I'm indirectly telling the publisher that their game wasn't worth $60 to begin with.
You want to get rid of the middle man? Fine, but don't screw with things at the customer level and expect the public to always buy into it or understand.

[MrEco]

Didnt the developer/publisher already get the money for that used game? It had to of been bought once to be used right?

Well, any person who buy's a used copy would have to buy a brand new copy instead if used game trading didn't exist.

Thats like saying "I'd have 100 dollars if I had 100 dollars in my pocket."

I know, I wasn't defending that line of thought. I was just pointing out that that's how publishers think of it as an "issue."

[flamepanther]

I think there's a key misunderstanding when people read "used games are as bad as/worse than piracy". People see "bad" and think "illegal" and "wrong" but those are totally different concepts. What the industry means by that is "you're playing the game, but we didn't get any of your money." Yes, it's perfectly legal. Yes, it would be difficult to make a serious moral argument against being allowed to resell your own property. But inasmuch as the developer sees not one cent of the money you pay to the reseller, they are absolutely correct.

"I supported the developers because someone else paid them for the used copy I bought" is every bit as much of a deluded half-truth of a statement as the tired old "piracy doesn't hurt because pirates wouldn't have bought it anyway" and the infamous "every pirated copy is a lost sale" lie. A hard, universal stand on any of those three sides is wrong. IP is a stupidly messy moral area, and the matter of who (if anyone) gets hurt by piracy, used sales, or DRM changes on a case-by-case basis. That's the difficult truth.

Or how about the the fact that stealing is stealing, period. And stealing is wrong. Buying a used copy is in no way, shape, or form the same as stealing.

That's nice, but neither is software piracy. That's why it's a different word from "theft".

[BurningDoom]

Or how about the the fact that stealing is stealing, period. And stealing is wrong. Buying a used copy is in no way, shape, or form the same as stealing.

That's nice, but neither is software piracy. That's why it's a different word from "theft".

Yeah, it is. It's stealing no matter how pirates want to spin it. You didn't pay for it.

[flamepanther]

Yeah, it is. It's stealing no matter how pirates want to spin it. You didn't pay for it.

Didn't steal it, either. The LAW treats piracy differently from theft. The action is different. The result is different. The potential for damage is different. The law itself is completely different. There's nothing to back you up on this one, no matter how YOU want to spin it.

If you want to say piracy is illegal, that's fine, because it is.
If you want to say piracy is immoral, that's fine, but it's up to each individual to decide that.
If you want to say piracy hurts artists, publishers, and developers, that's fine because it's true at least part of the time.
If you want to say piracy is stealing, you are factually incorrect.

[Inazuma]

Oh, and apparently EB games Australia is taking an Inazuma styled approach.

Yay! Way to go, err, EB Games... >_>

Fuck Capcom and Fuck Gamestop!

[GSZX1337]

Or how about the the fact that stealing is stealing, period. And stealing is wrong. Buying a used copy is in no way, shape, or form the same as stealing.

That's nice, but neither is software piracy. That's why it's a different word from "theft".

Yeah, it is. It's stealing no matter how pirates want to spin it. You didn't pay for it.

Not this shit again. Thanks guys.

[BlackDS]

what is the point of even having unlockables and a save feature?

[flamepanther]

what is the point of even having unlockables and a save feature?

It rewards the player with a false sense of accomplishment.

[BurningDoom]

Yeah, it is. It's stealing no matter how pirates want to spin it. You didn't pay for it.

Didn't steal it, either. The LAW treats piracy differently from theft. The action is different. The result is different. The potential for damage is different. The law itself is completely different. There's nothing to back you up on this one, no matter how YOU want to spin it.

If you want to say piracy is illegal, that's fine, because it is.
If you want to say piracy is immoral, that's fine, but it's up to each individual to decide that.
If you want to say piracy hurts artists, publishers, and developers, that's fine because it's true at least part of the time.
If you want to say piracy is stealing, you are factually incorrect.

No, I'm not incorrect. Taking something without paying for it is stealing. Just because that thing is digital rather than physical doesn't change what your doing.