Worst Break Up

[Hatta]

This doesn't make any sense (in this case). Inazuma willingly had sex with his girlfriend, and then the condom broke (she may have not even gotten pregnant anyway). What about that is deceitful trickery on the female's part?

He consented to sex, not to being a father. There's a big difference.

The only way to make this fair is for both parents to always have a say. If a woman can force a man to become a father by refusing to allow abortion, a man should be able to force a woman to become a mother by refusing to allow an abortion. If you're not willing to give men veto power over abortions, you shouldn't be willing to give women veto power over abortions either.

Of course, you can't force women to have abortions. So if a man doesn't want a child and she does that decision is entirely on her, and the man should be liable for nothing. Equality, dig it?

[brunoafh]

The point of sex is to reproduce. The point of transportation isn't to get in an accident. Medical science applied.

[Niode]

The point of sex is to reproduce. The point of transportation isn't to get in an accident. Medical science applied.

What if you are a professional stunt man. [/mind implode]

[gtmtnbiker]

He consented to sex, not to being a father. There's a big difference.

The only way to make this fair is for both parents to always have a say. If a woman can force a man to become a father by refusing to allow abortion, a man should be able to force a woman to become a mother by refusing to allow an abortion. If you're not willing to give men veto power over abortions, you shouldn't be willing to give women veto power over abortions either.

Of course, you can't force women to have abortions. So if a man doesn't want a child and she does that decision is entirely on her, and the man should be liable for nothing. Equality, dig it?

The one difference is that the woman has to carry the baby for 9 months and then deliver the baby. So it's not quite an equal partnership with the woman having a bit more say in the matter in my opinion.

Again, if he was unwilling to have a kid, then he needs to abstain from sex or get a vasectomy. This is society's viewpoint as he would be on the hook for child support. You don't like it? Then work to change the laws or abstain from sec.

[crux]

I'm not even sure what the driving analogy is supposed to imply. The best defense against car accidents is, indeed, not driving. Taking the bus or subway is vastly safer in that respect. Many people have little choice if public transportation is not an option, however, which is not at all the same as procreation. It's a person's choice if they have sex, and it's also their choice in what condom they buy and how they use it (we can only take inazuma's word on that, but most condom accidents occur from misuse). How can you even compare the two?

I don't see anything she did as trickery - did she manufacture the condom to break? Was she religious? Did inazuma know her stance on children and abortion before he decided to have sex with her? If we're to take the position that protected sex should absolve a man from responsibility (even though it doesn't absolve the woman from anything), he still has the responsibility to find out what her stance on such an accident would be, just as she has the responsibility to find that out from him. They both made mistakes, but inazuma's response was to trick her, and then to add insult to injury he brought her belongings to the curb. Not only is that not apples to apples, but even if it were, this "eye for an eye" nonsense is childish and cruel.

On-topic, I met my wife when I was 19, so my break-ups are pretty tame. Though I've never had a particularly rough break-up, I had an online "girlfriend" when I was a teenager. I took a train to Wisconsin to see her, and despite how well we got together on the phone and online, there was a complete disconnect meeting her and her sister and friends. The entire trip was awkward, and the relationship dissolved shortly afterwards. We never stayed in touch, and she's the only person I've lost contact with who I wish I could get in touch with. Even if we didn't make sense together, she was one of the funniest people I've ever known.

[Hatta]

The one difference is that the woman has to carry the baby for 9 months and then deliver the baby.

This is a good point. Nobody should be able to force a woman to do that. Asking a woman to have an abortion instead is not all that much to ask. If she refuses, that's her choice.

Also, consider that pregnancy lasts 9 months. Child support lasts 18 years. Nobody should be able to force a man or a woman to do that either.

This is society's viewpoint

That doesn't make it just.

[Hatta]

The point of sex is to reproduce. The point of transportation isn't to get in an accident. Medical science applied.

No, the point of sex is to enjoy pleasure. If you go into sex wanting a kid, and you let the other person think it's just for pleasure, that's fraud.

I'm not even sure what the driving analogy is supposed to imply.

It's pretty simple. When safety measures fail (whether it's a seat belt or a condom) it's OK to use medical science (whether it's blood transfusions or an abortion) to save the day.

The only real difference between the two is that when you have a sexual accident, you have no control over whether you get the help you need. It's entirely in someone elses hands, who may or may not have your best interests in heart. That's wrong.

[Breetai]

Don't put your thing in if you can't accept the risk of having a kid. Birth control is not 100% effective. As for the morning after pill, some people choose to not abort and you have to respect their belief. You cannot force the other person to choose abortion.

{Any man} has the right to end the relationship but the manner he did it in was poor. If the woman wished to carry the baby to term,, he would have been on the hook for child support.

Again, if you can't accept the risk of having a kid, then don't do the act.

100% agreed. If you want to get your dick in a girl and want a 0% chance of getting her pregnant, there is another special place you can insert your stick.

[Erik_Twice]

I don't see anything she did as trickery

She agreed to have sex using a condom. Condoms are used so as to not have babies.

In other words, THEY AGREED NOT TO HAVE A BABY AND THEN SHE DECIDED TO ALONE AND EGOISTICALLY TRIED TO USE HIM.

I can say it louder but not more clearly.

but inazuma's response was to trick her,

So he should accept her cruelties? I have tricked roobbers on the past so they didn't rob me. How evil of me!

and then to add insult to injury he brought her belongings to the curb. Not only is that not apples to apples, but even if it were, this "eye for an eye" nonsense is childish and cruel.

How evil of him! Getting her out of his house only because she backstabed him, forcing him to suffer having an unwanted baby for egoistical reasons and forcing him to pay years and years of fees even tough he did nothing to deserve them.

The point of sex is to reproduce.

Who are you to say so? The point of sex is whatever I want it to be. And what if I'm gay or esterile?

Again, if he was unwilling to be beaten up for being black, then he needs to abstain from society. This is society's viewpoint as he would be on the hook for being a chimpanzee or otherwise inferior being. You don't like it? Then work to change the laws or kill yourself.

You are such a nice person.

I can use your logic to justify anything. I mean, if you don't want to get insulted, don't post on the internets. If you don't want to ever be backstabbed by a friend, don't have friends.

herp derp

EDIT: In before you say that domestic abuse victims had it coming because they decided to meet their abuser or somthing equally dumb.

[gtmtnbiker]

This is a good point. Nobody should be able to force a woman to do that. Asking a woman to have an abortion instead is not all that much to ask.

An abortion is not a trivial thing to do. There are many possible complications:
http://emedicine.medscape.com/article/795001-overview

If she refuses, that's her choice.

Also, consider that pregnancy lasts 9 months. Child support lasts 18 years. Nobody should be able to force a man or a woman to do that either.

This is society's viewpoint

That doesn't make it just.

If you don't like society's rules, then either work to change the rules or find another place to live. Those are the rules that we live by today.