Hackers Who Hit Sony Now Breach Nintendo's U.S. Website

[turkey]

indeed they could have done things different if they had no malicious intent just like this poor guy

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/29 ... hreatened/

[noiseredux]

You leave your car door open with the keys in it and somebody steals your car? I have zero sympathy. You leave your house door open and somebody comes along and steals all your shit. Zero sympathy. You shouldn't have been a dumbass. Sony were (and still are, they've been hack FOURTEEN FUCKING TIMES NOW) dumbasses. Zero sympathy.

The correct analogy for what happened to Sony wouldn't be "someone left the door to their car open and it got stolen" it would be more like "someone had their car locked up tight but the locks happened to suck so it was rather easy to break into and steal."

agreed.

[ajsracket]

People can come up with all the fancy words they wish to deflect blame and in their own opinions justify illegal action for some percieved wrong. The fact of the matter is these guys are still douchebags. "the lulzboat"? Oh yeah, that's real threatening and mature sounding.

Find them, break them. Then it stops. Until then, douches will be douches

[dsheinem]

fancy words

[jeffro11]

The ignorance in this topic is seriously astounding and pretty scary. It's dangerous thinking to take everything at face value.

[brunoafh]

The ignorance in this topic is seriously astounding and pretty scary. It's dangerous thinking to take everything at face value.

Psshhh, this topic is nothing.

http://www.racketboy.com/forum/viewtopi ... &sk=t&sd=a

[Weekend_Warrior]

My opinion of the hackers... ?

They're clown shoes. Fuck them. Fuck them up their stupid asses.

[alienjesus]

You leave your car door open with the keys in it and somebody steals your car? I have zero sympathy. You leave your house door open and somebody comes along and steals all your shit. Zero sympathy. You shouldn't have been a dumbass. Sony were (and still are, they've been hack FOURTEEN FUCKING TIMES NOW) dumbasses. Zero sympathy.

The correct analogy for what happened to Sony wouldn't be "someone left the door to their car open and it got stolen" it would be more like "someone had their car locked up tight but the locks happened to suck so it was rather easy to break into and steal."

agreed.

Although if i bought a car and someone managed to break the crappy locks, I'd be pissed at the theif and the manufacturer.

It's more like "someone who was the car manufacturer bought their own car which they themselves designed badly to save costs, and left it locked, but the locks were really bad, and someone broke them and stole it". In this case, sure, the person who broke the lock and stole it is in the wrong, but it's your own damn problem for designing it poorly also. And unfortunately, because of your bad design, loads of other people who's fault it isn't have ended up having their cars stolen too.

[jjjarrett]

What's the point?

HA. This :3

[Niode]

[ But I am saying that hacking is illegal no matter what the purpose is.

NO. Not all hacking is illegal. In addition, not all things that are deemed illegal are necessarily morally wrong. Many protestors in history have been arrested, imprisoned, or killed for illegally but peacefully challenging the wrongs in society or exposing corruption by those in power. I am not saying Lulz is on par with Martin Luther King Jr. or something, but groups like Hacktivismo who use hacking tools to create secure internet software for users in countries with strict censorship and regulation (like China) are certainly worth celebrating, even if they are doing "illegal" things along the way.

I posted this before in an attempt to clarify things in the PSN thread and I may as well do it again. Some of you know that I research and write about hacking and hacktivism professionally. This is from a handout I give when I discuss hacking at a conference or in a lecture:

Basic Questions
*What is hacktivism?

A couple of useful definitions, mostly taken from The Jargon File (http://catb.org/~esr/jargon/)
Hacker: 1. A person who enjoys exploring the details of programmable systems and how to stretch their capabilities, as opposed to most users, who prefer to learn only the minimum necessary. 2. One who programs enthusiastically (even obsessively) or who enjoys programming rather than just theorizing about programming….7. One who enjoys the intellectual challenge of creatively overcoming or circumventing limitations.

Hacker Ethic: 1. The belief that information-sharing is a powerful positive good, and that it is an ethical duty of hackers to share their expertise by writing open-source code and facilitating access to information and to computing resources wherever possible. 2. The belief that system-cracking for fun and exploration is ethically OK as long as the cracker commits no theft, vandalism, or breach of confidentiality.

Cracker: One who breaks security on a system. Coined ca. 1985 by hackers in defense against journalistic misuse of hacker.

Hacktivism: Politically-motivated computer hacking with aims of improving social conditions, digital security, or both.

The attack on Sony was pretty much just straight up cracking. At this point, Lulz's actions are somewhere between cracking and hactkivism (cracktivism), as it seems their goals are simply to alert Nintendo and the public about security flaws, not to steal information for profit (as the Sony group did).

Please enlighten me as to what a hacker has done to improve my life, be speciific. I'm not being an ass, i'm curious what exactly you mean?

Others have started to tackle this already, but hackers are responsible for improvements in hardware, software, and security dating back to the middle of the 20th Century. Not all hacking is illegal, nor is it all malicious. Stealing veteran's affairs records or credit card info? That's both. Creating software to extend the capabilities of a system? That's neither. Breaking DRM to gain open access to files you paid for? That's illegal but hardly malicious. I would strongly recommend Steve Levy's book to learn about this history.

Again, thank you for posting this. I feel like banging my head against the wall in these threads when everybody bandies the word hacker around. I consider myself a hacker (more hardware hacking these days than software, I just don't have the chops anymore), tarring us with the same brush just gets my back up. What we do is for the good of everybody in the community, all of you who have installed and gained benefit from jailbreaks, roots, no-cd cracks, custom router firmware, all that good stuff, did so off the back of hackers work. By saying you hate hackers or that we have done nothing for you just makes you a hypocrite and well, just wrong. Cracking is not what we do. We liberate and improve systems for YOUR benefit. So fucking appreciate it. Bitches.