The Wrestling Thread

[sevin0seven]

^that sucks about Kharma and Christian.


Here is Randy Savage’s Obituary & Online Guest Book to Leave your condolences…

http://www.legacy.com/guestbook/sptimes ... 0&cid=full

This Guest Book will remain online until 6/24/2011.

I left a message on the guest book.

They review everything, but hopefully it'll be up soon.

3000+ entries in just a few days. I hope it makes things a little bit easier on his family to know how loved he was.

i also left a message. still not there though..

[BurningDoom]

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Sheamus is apparently getting pushed over Christian as no 1. contender. Sheamus is great and all but we all know it would be more interesting to see Christian stay in the title hunt. So as it turns out, no Karma, no Christian as champ and no Rock/Cena until next year. I don't know about you guys, but I've officially got NOTHING to look forward to this year. Oh well, at least we're getting a cool Cody Rhodes/Daniel Bryan feud it looks like

I like Sheamus, I think he deserves the push. He has stood out above the rest and is still early in his career, while Christian has been around for years and couldn't get it done. He's not a bad wrestler, but he's just not main-event material either.

[Gamerforlife]

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Sheamus is apparently getting pushed over Christian as no 1. contender. Sheamus is great and all but we all know it would be more interesting to see Christian stay in the title hunt. So as it turns out, no Karma, no Christian as champ and no Rock/Cena until next year. I don't know about you guys, but I've officially got NOTHING to look forward to this year. Oh well, at least we're getting a cool Cody Rhodes/Daniel Bryan feud it looks like

I like Sheamus, I think he deserves the push. He has stood out above the rest and is still early in his career, while Christian has been around for years and couldn't get it done. He's not a bad wrestler, but he's just not main-event material either.

Lately I feel like being a main eventer is 50% your own ability and 50% how they book you or push you which ultimately comes down to whether or not they like you or whether or not you are playing the back stage politics. Christian is better on the mic than Cena and better in the ring and yet Cena gets constantly put over and booked to look like Superman while Christian gets held down. If I had it my way, Cena would be an upper midcarder and nothing more. He promos are average and his in ring work is way behind others on the WWE roster. The miz is light years ahead of Cena on promo work, so is Shemus, R Truth is more interesting, Big Show is more genuinely funny, and guys like Edge, Shawn Michaels, Triple H and especially the Rock were all better on the mic. Rockie's reappearance this year put Cena to shame. That Fruity Pebbles bit caught on with the crowd way more than ANYTHING Cena threw at him. Cena promos are all about the next lame joke or the next self righteous, , poser, big ego bullshit

Honestly, there are a couple of guys better than Cena in every way and just as passionate and dedicated as he is and yet he is the face of the company. Why? Because he is Vince's buddy and Sheamus will never be too far from the main event scene because he is close with Triple H. You look at a guy like Jericho and if Triple H had his way he would have been kept down forever in midcard land but as I understand it Stephanie was always pretty high on Jericho. Some of his best tv moments were actually his on air confrontations with her

All Christian needs is the right push and the right storyline and proper booking and he would easily be main event material, but the WWE never does anything GOOD with him. They've had PLENTY of chances. I remember sometime last year they turned Edge heel and had teased a match between him and Christian. The crowd was totally into it....and it never happened. They could have turned Christian heel at Mania like many people hoped for, but they didn't. They had the perfect storyline to push Christian after Edge's retirement...and they had him drop the belt after five days. Christian is money, but WWE doesn't use him right. That's always the problem, look at people who went nowhere in WWE or were stuck in midcard land and yet shined on TNA. Gail Kim comes to mind(who looked liked a damn superstar in her feud with Kong, yet seemed like just another pretty face in the WWE)and Matt Hardy has been doing some of the best promos and matches of his career in TNA

[BurningDoom]

Well yeah, Cena, of course he doesn't belong in the main-event scene. Seeing the same match over and over again doesn't equal talent. And WWE really shouldn't make a guy that half the crowd cheers while the other half boos "the man". But just because Cena sucks, doesn't mean that Christian should get the World Heavyweight Championship because he's just as mediocre. Pretty soon anyone who gets a pop from the crowd at all is gonna be able to get the WWE title if they continued on a path like that.

[Gamerforlife]

Well yeah, Cena, of course he doesn't belong in the main-event scene. Seeing the same match over and over again doesn't equal talent. And WWE really shouldn't make a guy that half the crowd cheers while the other half boos "the man". But just because Cena sucks, doesn't mean that Christian should get the World Heavyweight Championship because he's just as mediocre. Pretty soon anyone who gets a pop from the crowd at all is gonna be able to get the WWE title if they continued on a path like that.

I don't know, I feel like Christian could be a good champ if the WWE let him. It's hard to be motivated when creative tells you that you're dropping the title in five days and yet he still busts out an awesome match with Orton followed by an even better one at the pay per view. I think it's interesting that some people have criticized Orton's ring work and yet with Christian he busts out these classics. There is something to be said for a guy who can draw the best performances out of your main eventers

[Rurouni_Fencer]

All this talk I always hear of Cena being this generation's Hulk Hogan made me wonder something: In the late 80's, did fans our age feel the same about Hogan and his push the way I and my friends feel about Cena today?

I realize it's easy to pick straws and nit-pick both performers' different attributes, but I can't help but wonder if Hogan was ever looked down upon by wrestling fans upon during his peak.. Clearly, there was never a 'Let's go Hogan/Hogan SUCKS' chant in the arenas then. Maybe it was just a different time for wrestling and the babyface character..

[Gamerforlife]

All this talk I always hear of Cena being this generation's Hulk Hogan made me wonder something: In the late 80's, did fans our age feel the same about Hogan and his push the way I and my friends feel about Cena today?

I realize it's easy to pick straws and nit-pick both performers' different attributes, but I can't help but wonder if Hogan was ever looked down upon by wrestling fans upon during his peak.. Clearly, there was never a 'Let's go Hogan/Hogan SUCKS' chant in the arenas then. Maybe it was just a different time for wrestling and the babyface character..

I would say no. Cena is not like his predecessors. Cena CAN'T get over like Hogan in his prime. EVERYONE loved Hogan back then. Cena will always have his "Cena sucks" section of the audience. That's why he doesn't deserve his top spot. He's not as good a babyface as Hogan, Rock, Macho Man, Shawn Michaels, Triple H or Austin or other guys I could mention. Even Orton has outdone Cena as a babyface. Do you ever hear Orton sucks chants? Maybe HE should have Cena's spot. I'm not saying Orton is without his flaws, but he's a FAR more capable babyface and his matches with Christian are making him look better in the ring than Cena

Also, years from now we'll see in restrospect that Cena just didn't make much of an impact. He'll never been as influential as Rock and Austin were in the attitude era. He'll never break down doors in Hollywood like the Rock or have an actual show named after him like the Rock(Smackdown). He'll never have a legendary streak, or be Mr. Wrestlemania or be the guy who married the boss's daughter or be make a commercial that will make him a pop culture icon(like Macho Man). There is just nothing noteworthy about Cena. He's the top babyface right now sure, but what's his legacy? He's not even as mainstream as Rock, Hogan, Macho Man and Austin became. He's not a household name and if you look at the decline in WWE ratings over the last decade, it's clear that Cena hasn't done shit for the company. I'm sure they've LOST fans because of him

Someday Vince will get his head out of his ass and find a new top guy when he finally realizes just how limited Cena's appeal is as well as how limited his abilities in and outside the ring are. Cena's midcard material, that's all he ever should have been. FIND SOMEONE ELSE VINCE!!!!!

[BurningDoom]

All of this talk about whether Cena deserves his spot got me thinking:

Who do you think should be the top guy in each promotion? (Raw, Smackdown, TNA, ROH, etc.) You know, their Austin, or Rock, or Hogan, or (cringe) Cena. Pick anyone that's wrestling in that company.

WWE Smackdown:


Randy Orton

I think Smackdown has got it right at the moment with Randy Orton being the top dog there. Randy Orton is probably the best active wrestler on WWE's roster, unless you count Undertaker or Triple H as active still.

WWE Raw:


Triple H

Yeah. They should bring Triple H back as an active wrestler. He's freaking awesome and last I saw could still wrestle with the best of them. I know, he's got a cush office job now, but I can still hope.

TNA Impact Wrestling:


Mr. Anderson

Mr. Anderson has really stepped up in the last year and proven himself as a great main-eventer and all around wrestler. This guy deserves the spot. Don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE Sting fan, but Mr. Anderson has just been on a tear.

[BurningDoom]

I just found this recently at a local used shop, and picked it up. Watched it today, and I have to say, it was fantastic. It covered both the WWF and the WCW sides well. I was pleasantly surprised. Great documentary on the years in wrestling between about 1996-2000. However it is short on the extras, a few great matches that are really worth watching from both WCW Monday Nitro and WWF Raw is War; but not nearly as many extras as the modern WWE DVDs have.

I highly recommend getting this one if you're into the late 90s era of wrestling. It was great to watch. And for those that saw the "Rise and Fall of WCW" DVD that was released not too long ago, this fills in those years that they seemed to breeze through on that documentary very well (however the history on the early years of WCW on "Rise and Fall of WCW" was priceless).

[Gamerforlife]

All of this talk about whether Cena deserves his spot got me thinking:

Who do you think should be the top guy in each promotion? (Raw, Smackdown, TNA, ROH, etc.) You know, their Austin, or Rock, or Hogan, or (cringe) Cena. Pick anyone that's wrestling in that company.

WWE Smackdown:


Randy Orton

I think Smackdown has got it right at the moment with Randy Orton being the top dog there. Randy Orton is probably the best active wrestler on WWE's roster, unless you count Undertaker or Triple H as active still.

WWE Raw:


Triple H

Yeah. They should bring Triple H back as an active wrestler. He's freaking awesome and last I saw could still wrestle with the best of them. I know, he's got a cush office job now, but I can still hope.

TNA Impact Wrestling:


Mr. Anderson

Mr. Anderson has really stepped up in the last year and proven himself as a great main-eventer and all around wrestler. This guy deserves the spot. Don't get me wrong, I'm a HUGE Sting fan, but Mr. Anderson has just been on a tear.

Smackdown




I would be cool with Orton as the "face" of Smackdown, though I would like to see Christian get a decent title run. Character-wise, Orton reminds me of Stone Cold and Triple H. He's been morphing into a more nice guy babyface recently, but when he first went face he was still playing that, "I don't give a crap about anyone" attitude that Austin had throughout most of his career. It's also a lot like Triple H is when he's not doing DX Triple H, which is fitting since Hunter was Orton's mentor as far as on-air storylines go. Orton's finisher looks similar to the stunner and everyone calls him the "Viper" while Austin was the "Rattlesnake". Hell, he even had a major feud with Vince and the whole McMahon family like Austin did with his legendary McMahon feud. Unlike Austin though, Orton has that sinister quality to him that no other guy in the WWE in recent memory has embodied so well other than Triple H, but he has been losing that lately though as he turns into a more typical babyface. I kind of prefer the more badass babyface persona he used to have. Orton just seems like a Triple H/Steve Austin hybrid to me, not a bad thing at all. Now who should be top heel?



With the current Roster, I guess I'd go with Sheamus. He seems to have all the tools to be a top heel. Not much I need to say about him really as he's just a solid talent all round. However, if we're talking dream scenario, I think Vince could make a lot of money off of a heel Cena. However, I would love a heel Undertaker as the REAL top heel on Smackdown, but as the American badass Taker. Unfortunately, he doesn't work enough times a year. Imagine how much more the streak matches at Mania would mean if Taker was a heel.

Raw



Jericho went he inevitably comes back, there's my choice. He had massive heel heat during his last run in the WWE. If they could convert that into babyface pops like they did with Orton, Jericho is the guy. He's the total package. He does great mic work. He has charisma. He rarely gets injured and he can wrestle any style and have a great match with anyone. He's the next Shawn Michaels. As for top heel on Raw:



I think Miz can still improve on his ringwork, but otherwise he's the perfect heel. He is MONEY on the mic and he can get an arena of people booing him easily. Also, there is some rumored heat on him from Jericho, so that would make feuds between them interesting. I would give Miz some CLEAN wins though to build his cred. He NEEDS that right now. CM Punk would be my number 2. heel on Raw, but he needs a bit of a character overhaul. I would repackage him somehow to make him more badass and interesting as Punk has been stale lately. I might still have him run nexus though, but I would build nexus back up as a dominant force with Punk leading them and getting some clean wins on his own from time to time. I'd have them terrorize Raw and then build up two good midcard faces to challenge them. Just two, cause it's more interesting when the faces look like they don't have a chance and puts them over when they get the occasional victory against the odds. See Vince, that's how you elevate talent. Not rocket science

TNA



I've only recently started watching TNA and don't know a lot about it, but RVD has always been top babyface material going back to his ECW days and WWE days. He's the whole fucking show! This guy could always get a crowd going with the RVD chants. He was never great on the mic, but like Jeff Hardy he never needed to be. The guy just OOZES charisma. For top heel:



Matt Hardy with Ric Flair as manager. His promo and mic work have improved since joining TNA and working with Flair. Also, simply having Flair in your corner elevates your status. Plus, it's about damn time for Hardy's career to peak. He's been in his brother's shadow forever and we can all see now that he's the better Hardy as he always has been. Also, his matches are fantastic, especially with AJ Styles. Here's the proof: