Are current video games too easy?

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Intangir
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Ivo wrote:Give D2 another try, then, because I vaguely remember that at least in multiplayer you can just exit the game and re-join and your "corpse" will be in town with all your stuff (maybe not the gold, but the chest gets increased in capacity as you progress for gold). In single player I think you can "save & exit" and the same happens when you restart... If not, then in single player you can save at anytime as well, can't you (I may be confusing with D1 though, where I'm sure you can save at any time in single player)?
You know, I think I encountered this. I remember dying and being pissed off and then just quitting. And I remember eventually coming back to try again and my body was in town. I actually thought it was a glitch at the time and didn't think too much about it--lest the gods of Diablo realize their folly and return to punish me further.

Fortunately I still have D2 and my old save is still there so I might soldier on yet. The main obstacle now is that I've come to prefer Titan Quest over Diablo 2, so I'll probably have to burn myself out on that before being able to play more D2.
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I learned bass cause i got ticked off at my games, particularly Kingdom Hearts (i didnt like it really all that much but didnt have much to play) and Resistance. I love hard games but if they are too hard ala Sonic 2 for GameGear (no rings on boss) i just get anoyed. But i do miss the challenge of older games, it was a different chalange than todays game, more white knuckled, devoted kind of hard over fustrating, die at same point that we have today. But thats my 2-cents.
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I've seen this topic a million times. My opinion as it stands now is that games today are NOT easier, it's just that the people who complain are not actually playing the hard games. Ninja Gaiden Black, Devil May Cry 3, God Hand, Shinobi on the PS 2, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Ikaruga, The Red Star, etc. NGB and DMC 3 were big sellers too and The Red Star and God Hand are fairly recent entries into the market, so there is a market for hardcore games and people are playing them. Join the community. If you think games are too easy. You're playing the wrong games. Or maybe you're just not making the effort to make your games more challenging

A pet peeve of mine is that people often complain about the ease of games without ever turning up the difficulty or trying any of the extra challenges. Final Fantasy games for example become immensely more challenging when you do the optional stuff, or try low level game completions(FF 12 in particular). I'm not aiming these comments at the topic creator just gamers in general, but don't ever tell me a game is easy when all you did is beat it on the default difficulty. Did you try getting the best rankings for each stage? 100% percent shot down ratio?Find every hidden item?play it on a harder difficulty?speed run it?Play it without taking a single hit or dying? Did you just beat Final Fantasy 12 or did you destroy every single possible enemy in the game?

I could go on and on. My point is that I am amazed at how so many gamers today need to be force fed challenge. If it's too easy, MAKE IT HARDER YOURSELF! Do designers have to do everything for you?

I've been gaming for years and while gaming in general has changed quite a bit, I can still find just as much challenge today as I did years ago. And there are plenty of videos popping up on youtube everyday of gamers doing amazing feats of skill in modern video games. Are achievement points not keeping people happy? Hardcore gaming is not dying. It's alive and well. More and more I'm finding no basis of truth in the whole gaming today is too easy argument. Gamers are being faced with new kinds of challenges in today's increasing large and complex games that I never dealt with when I was young

I'm not saying there isn't a lot of hand holding in many modern games, but there are plenty of "hardcore" games on the market today, and lots of ways of making the "too easy" games challenging. Games are not getting easier, gamers just don't want to challenge themselves anymore
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Gamerforlife wrote:I've seen this topic a million times. My opinion as it stands now is that games today are NOT easier, it's just that the people who complain are not actually playing the hard games. Ninja Gaiden Black, Devil May Cry 3, God Hand, Shinobi on the PS 2, Panzer Dragoon Orta, Ikaruga, The Red Star, etc. NGB and DMC 3 were big sellers too and The Red Star and God Hand are fairly recent entries into the market, so there is a market for hardcore games and people are playing them. Join the community. If you think games are too easy. You're playing the wrong games. Or maybe you're just not making the effort to make your games more challenging

A pet peeve of mine is that people often complain about the ease of games without ever turning up the difficulty or trying any of the extra challenges. Final Fantasy games for example become immensely more challenging when you do the optional stuff, or try low level game completions(FF 12 in particular). I'm not aiming these comments at the topic creator just gamers in general, but don't ever tell me a game is easy when all you did is beat it on the default difficulty. Did you try getting the best rankings for each stage? 100% percent shot down ratio?Find every hidden item?play it on a harder difficulty?speed run it?Play it without taking a single hit or dying? Did you just beat Final Fantasy 12 or did you destroy every single possible enemy in the game?

I could go on and on. My point is that I am amazed at how so many gamers today need to be force fed challenge. If it's too easy, MAKE IT HARDER YOURSELF! Do designers have to do everything for you?

I've been gaming for years and while gaming in general has changed quite a bit, I can still find just as much challenge today as I did years ago. And there are plenty of videos popping up on youtube everyday of gamers doing amazing feats of skill in modern video games. Are achievement points not keeping people happy? Hardcore gaming is not dying. It's alive and well. More and more I'm finding no basis of truth in the whole gaming today is too easy argument. Gamers are being faced with new kinds of challenges in today's increasing large and complex games that I never dealt with when I was young

I'm not saying there isn't a lot of hand holding in many modern games, but there are plenty of "hardcore" games on the market today, and lots of ways of making the "too easy" games challenging. Games are not getting easier, gamers just don't want to challenge themselves anymore
I see your point. Perhaps I have been playing the easier games. But still, I don't feel nearly as proud of myself for completing a modern Final Fantasy as I did back when I completed the original on NES. It just felt like more of an achievement to state to your friends at recess that you could beat Mike Tyson on Punchout than to announce that you completed 100% of a certain game.
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