Linux returns to PS3. Yes, that's both fat & slim models.

[MrPopo]

Hold on, what is the Finnish Consumer Board? Are they just a watchdog organization? Do they have judicial power? The wording of the article is pretty vague.

[Niode]

Hold on, what is the Finnish Consumer Board? Are they just a watchdog organization? Do they have judicial power? The wording of the article is pretty vague.

It's basically the same as Consumer Direct/Office of Fair Trading in this country. They hold a lot of clout when it comes to consumer rights as they are part of the government. http://www.oft.gov.uk/consumer-advice/oft-and-cd/

Basically, in EU and the UK we have serious consumer rights, we have systems in place so we don't get the shaft. I've used them several times, the last time was over a £60 printer that broke on me after 12 months, the company told me it wasn't in warranty so couldn't do anything about it. OFT thought otherwise. Case in point, I got a free printer.

[irixith]

That's flat out ridiculous. You should not be (or even feel) entitled to a NEW printer after a year of usage. No-one knows how you treated it, how much usage it had, etc. You paid your 60, got the product, and used it. Yes, everything today falls apart if you look at it the wrong way, and companies should be making quality products, but that sad fact is that consumers are continually driving prices down down down with their expectations, and companies have to cut costs somewhere to be able to deliver.

If that's what you're basing your arguments on, the ridiculous consumer rights being touted in the EU/UK, I now a) understand much better and b) completely discount it because it's ridiculous.

If your printer broke down in the first 2 weeks or something, that would be a completely different story .. but a year! Outrageous! (Edit: A repair service I could maybe see, but a complete replacement? No. That's not protecting consumer rights, that's just abusing the system.)

[Pulsar_t]

By Jingo, irixith is quite right! We should mend our ways....

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[Mod_Man_Extreme]

That's flat out ridiculous. You should not be (or even feel) entitled to a NEW printer after a year of usage. No-one knows how you treated it, how much usage it had, etc. You paid your 60, got the product, and used it. Yes, everything today falls apart if you look at it the wrong way, and companies should be making quality products, but that sad fact is that consumers are continually driving prices down down down with their expectations, and companies have to cut costs somewhere to be able to deliver.

If that's what you're basing your arguments on, the ridiculous consumer rights being touted in the EU/UK, I now a) understand much better and b) completely discount it because it's ridiculous.

If your printer broke down in the first 2 weeks or something, that would be a completely different story .. but a year! Outrageous! (Edit: A repair service I could maybe see, but a complete replacement? No. That's not protecting consumer rights, that's just abusing the system.)

^This.

People feeling entitled to shit is the most absolutely infuriating thing to me. You don't have a right to any warranty or service for any product, you have a privilege that is being bestowed upon you by a company. To think you're freaking sunshine and deserve a repair even after the warranty is up and you're SOL is complete bullshit. It broke, your warranty was up, end of story; if I ran a company I'd give you a grace period on a repair (which most companies have and will use if you're nice on the phone and understanding about everything) but not anything else.

As they say, abuse it and you loose it. But then again that's the real problem here. Everyone wants to feel like they deserve some sort of shit they don't have any right to, from repairs & software to full on replacements.

Yes you own the damn box, but you don't own the rights to it's design or functionality. When you buy something you buy it as it stands, you don't buy some sort of magical wonder box that can shit rainbows. For the people that bought a PS3 with other OS Sony warned you before it happened, warned you in the update process and warned you again before you clicked yes just to be sure.

The updates are a privilege not some right. Sony doesn't have to support you but they're giving you free updates, new features, fresh content and free online services anyway instead of just selling you a box like every other generation prior.

In North America and most of the world EULA's are a legal and binding document stating that you're not going to fuck with anything if you do thing "X" or use feature "Y". To put it simply, you're legally abolishing your consumer protection rights on that product for the sake of free services and content you otherwise wouldn't have had. In a perfect world this keeps the thieves and pirates out while also keeping cheaters at bay, in reality it gets idiots who know nothing about anything riled up about stuff they have no right to.

Plus, remember that none of this would even be a problem if NumbNuts McFucking Ginty Geohot hadn't started bragging about custom firmware and HDLoading games via an exploit in Other OS. That sorry sack of shit deserves none of my respect. He just wanted attention and to get his stupid name recognized for his 15 minutes of fame but, as shit started getting heavy and he realized he was facing the onslaught of a major corporation he enlisted help from fuckers on the internet.

But wait here's more! Even after all the bullshit and the stupid PSN outages that just got everyone who followed the rules and did nothing wrong pissed off the bastard flees the country. Oh and don't feed me that BS about how it was a "vacation trip", we all know what he was really doing by trying to get out of the country while shit was still exploding. The he chooses to conveniently come back to the US as Sony starts taking harsher legal action and start bawling to try settling over it.

Long story short, you're not entitled to anything buddy. The crap that's happened sucks for everyone, but you didn't have to keep following the group and updating. You could have stayed behind and enjoyed what amounts to a gimped and shitty version of a crappy and badly made operating system coded by high school kids and college hacker wannabe's.

[YoshiEgg25]

In North America and most of the world EULA's are a legal and binding document stating that you're not going to fuck with anything if you do thing "X" or use feature "Y". To put it simply, you're legally abolishing your consumer protection rights on that product for the sake of free services and content you otherwise wouldn't have had.

End User License Agreements are not law. They're used to keep things that normally would have to go through the legal system to fix to just be fixed by pointing at the document and saying there's a law for it.

However, if something is put in that isn't law, it is within the rights of the consumer to challenge the EULA. A contract that is not lawful is not a valid contract at all.

[Mod_Man_Extreme]

In North America and most of the world EULA's are a legal and binding document stating that you're not going to fuck with anything if you do thing "X" or use feature "Y". To put it simply, you're legally abolishing your consumer protection rights on that product for the sake of free services and content you otherwise wouldn't have had.

End User License Agreements are not law. They're used to keep things that normally would have to go through the legal system to fix to just be fixed by pointing at the document and saying there's a law for it.

However, if something is put in that isn't law, it is within the rights of the consumer to challenge the EULA. A contract that is not lawful is not a valid contract at all.

I never said they were law. I said they are a legal binding document, IE a contract. All of them basically state you're willing to give up certain consumer rights in exchange for the use of said software.

Also, according to the DMCA here in the US they are very much so legal.

[Pulsar_t]

Oh, and screw the DMCA.

[MrPopo]

Oh, and screw the DMCA.

And that is what you should focus your attention on; lobbying the government to overturn the DMCA. Not complaining about Sony doing things they're allowed to thanks to the contract you agreed to.

[RyaNtheSlayA]

/snip/

Oh and thanks for the shirt btw.