Assholes trying to take down PSN

[AppleQueso]

Come on now, the used market is more comparable to say, you and several friends pitching in to buy a game. I really doubt you can say that the used market has an effect on the industry anywhere near piracy.

I don't know how half the people in this thread have been able to make half the points they are making without a shred of actual evidence in terms of legal decisions, studies about the economic impact of various practices, or actual statements by key figures in the industry. Everything else is basically hearsay and posturing.

Hey man I never claimed to actually know what I'm talking about.

[Hatta]

Grants, patronage, contests, micropayments, and a bunch of other ways people haven't even thought of yet because they're relying on the government using force to secure their income. Many of our greatest works of art were created before copyright, still greater works of art await us after copyright. The internet opens up ways to finance productions that Shakespeare or Bach could not have dreamt of.

[noiseredux]

Grants, patronage, contests, micropayments, and a bunch of other ways people haven't even thought of yet because they're relying on the government using force to secure their income. Many of our greatest works of art were created before copyright, still greater works of art await us after copyright. The internet opens up ways to finance productions that Shakespeare or Bach could not have dreamt of.

I know these are all words... but the order you've put them in seems arbitrary?

[ZeroAX]

Grants, patronage, contests, micropayments, and a bunch of other ways people haven't even thought of yet because they're relying on the government using force to secure their income. Many of our greatest works of art were created before copyright, still greater works of art await us after copyright. The internet opens up ways to finance productions that Shakespeare or Bach could not have dreamt of.

And you do know most of the greatest artists of all time were dirt poor right? Also, it is one thing for a work of art to be the creation of one person, and a totally different thing for 1000 people to work on it (see Assasin's Creed)

[MrPopo]

Many of our greatest works of art were created before copyright, still greater works of art await us after copyright. The internet opens up ways to finance productions that Shakespeare or Bach could not have dreamt of.

They were also created in an era where the pieces would be unique, because methods of copying were to reproduce by hand, and hope you're good enough to pull it off.

[jfrost]

Many of our greatest works of art were created before copyright, still greater works of art await us after copyright. The internet opens up ways to finance productions that Shakespeare or Bach could not have dreamt of.

They were also created in an era where the pieces would be unique, because methods of copying were to reproduce by hand, and hope you're good enough to pull it off.

Not exactly. The lack of copyright didn't require works to be unique. Works of art then were more collaborative, so to speak.

Case in point, King Arthur's tales. The actual story is thought to have been written circa 1120. Over the years, people continued to make additions to the original story. One of these additions was Lancelot, and eventually the story became what we know today.

Literature was sure more costly to reproduce than today, but it sure as hell wasn't supposed to be unique.

[Hatta]

And you do know most of the greatest artists of all time were dirt poor right? Also, it is one thing for a work of art to be the creation of one person, and a totally different thing for 1000 people to work on it (see Assasin's Creed)

None of which changes the fact that data is not scarce. Copyright is wishful thinking, wishing that if you legislate hard enough you can make things true that are not. No amount of legislation can put the digital genie back in the bottle. We would do well to deal with that fact sooner rather than later. Either way, copyright will eventually be abandoned as untenable.

[AppleQueso]

So now we're moving the discussion towards the need for a new business model for media distribution?

[Hatta]

I guess. I'm not sure how we got on the "is piracy theft" question, but that's what lead us here. Regardless of whether piracy is theft or not, or the larger question of whether copying is right or wrong, deliberately removing features from someone else's property is definitely wrong.

[alienjesus]

I guess. I'm not sure how we got on the "is piracy theft" question, but that's what lead us here. Regardless of whether piracy is theft or not, or the larger question of whether copying is right or wrong, deliberately removing features from someone else's property is definitely wrong.

Finally something I can agree with!


Both the hackers and Sony are in the wrong, they're doing the same thing for opposite reasons - trying to deny users access to features on the consoles they rightfully paid for.