Assholes trying to take down PSN

[Niode]

I've said it many times, lower prices for less content. People don't mind paying 10€ for a 2 hour movie (average), so I don't think they'd mind paying 10-20€ for 5 hours of gameplay. And they can release the game as a trilogy (GTA:SA "The heist at Las Venturas")

Though of course, those 5 hours of gameplay, better be filled with fun, and no lame filler content (you know, escort missions, item hunts, and the rest of the crappy lazy techniques game designers have thought of to fill the game with content, so it looks good on reviews (lasts 50 hours, with 40 hours spent pressing X without thinking)

Especially when the single player campaign is only a few hours long. I remember that was a complaint about Modern Warfare 2 when it came out, which immediately turned me off of buying the game because I had no intention to play online and wasn't going to spend 60 bucks on a game that after I played for a few hours would be done with.

The single player campaign on that game was an absolute joke. So glad I didn't buy that heap o' shit.

The thing that keeps cropping up a lot in the piracy debate is the fact that one person can buy the game legitimately, rip it and seed it online. One sale = 1000s of downloads. Now you can't say that those 1000s of downloads is equal to 1000s of loss sales since a proportion of those people will go out and buy the game. Compare that to used games sales. One game can pass through a game store over and over and over again. None of the subsequent money goes to the games company and who's going to buy a brand new copy when they've played through the used version? How is buying used games any better than piracy? In my eyes they are no different. This is why I never buy used games for current generations.

[ZeroAX]

How is buying used games any better than piracy? In my eyes they are no different. This is why I never buy used games for current generations.

OMG. Dude, one is illegal, the other isn't. End of discussion. If the gaming industry has failed to provide ANY incentive to buy the game original, they have also failed to provide incentive to buy new instead of used (other than to punish law respecting costumers).

Lower prices, improve packaging and if you want to hurt gamestop, either A)Give them a smaller inventory, which will give you a bit of extra time, to sell new product, before used games appear on the store, or B) Give every other retailer better offers IF they agree to give you some revenue from used games sales. That way everyone will prefer to buy the new game from their store, instead of going to gamestop.

[Niode]

How is buying used games any better than piracy? In my eyes they are no different. This is why I never buy used games for current generations.

OMG. Dude, one is illegal, the other isn't. End of discussion. If the gaming industry has failed to provide ANY incentive to buy the game original, they have also failed to provide incentive to buy new instead of used (other than to punish law respecting costumers).

Lower prices, improve packaging and if you want to hurt gamestop, either A)Give them a smaller inventory, which will give you a bit of extra time, to sell new product, before used games appear on the store, or B) Give every other retailer better offers IF they agree to give you some revenue from used games sales. That way everyone will prefer to buy the new game from their store, instead of going to gamestop.

No I'm talking about lost revenue for the games industry. I'm not talking about legality here.

[ZeroAX]

No I'm talking about lost revenue for the games industry. I'm not talking about legality here.

Yeah, but if you worked in the game industry, it would be very wrong to tell your costumers that

It is one thing attacking pirates, but every developer who bashes used games sales (and mind you, I buy like 95% new games, and that other 5% are usually trades, not sales) loses my sympathy. Can't say about money, cause up to this point there hasn't been a developer who's game I liked, to have come out and say something like that.

Although, project 10€ did put me off from buying FIFA.

[Hatta]

How is buying used games any better than piracy? In my eyes they are no different. This is why I never buy used games for current generations.

OMG. Dude, one is illegal, the other isn't. End of discussion.

Ah, it's bad because it's illegal. Why is it illegal then?

[ZeroAX]

Ah, it's bad because it's illegal. Why is it illegal then?

Cause people worked for it, and they deserve payment? You could say that a psychiatrist doesn't "sell" a product. Should you just get up and leave without paying? Why do people think that services are different than tangible items?

[Hatta]

Shouldn't the same reasoning apply to used games then?

[Niode]

Shouldn't the same reasoning apply to used games then?

Bingo. This is exactly what I'm getting at.

[AppleQueso]

Come on now, the used market is more comparable to say, you and several friends pitching in to buy a game. I really doubt you can say that the used market has an effect on the industry anywhere near piracy.

[dsheinem]

Come on now, the used market is more comparable to say, you and several friends pitching in to buy a game. I really doubt you can say that the used market has an effect on the industry anywhere near piracy.

I don't know how half the people in this thread have been able to make half the points they are making without a shred of actual evidence in terms of legal decisions, studies about the economic impact of various practices, or actual statements by key figures in the industry. Everything else is basically hearsay and posturing.