brunoafh wrote:
It's just a gaming console though... I don't think there's any reason to be this upset about them removing features that are pretty much useless to the average user.
Wheelchairs are useless to the average person. Does that mean we should take them away from everyone?
That makes absolutely no sense at all. Doesn't really even warrant a response.
Hatta wrote:Yes, because if the average user doesn't want to do it, it's not worth doing. Are you stupid or just average?
Just average. Yourself?
I'm not making an attempt to justify Sony's mandatory removal of features, I'm just saying it's not the huge deal that gamers made it out to be. As a gamer, I was more troubled by Sony's decision to stop supporting backwards compatibility than their decision to stop supporting my ability to be able to install a Unix based OS.
I know I would never used the Other OS option on the PS3, even if it came with the slim. Though if you were going to use it, then I would be pissed that they got rid of it. Do I think it's worth boycotting Sony over? No.
However I will agree that Sony is trying to control how we are using our consoles. I think if I want to hack my PS3 and run custom firmware to play some homebrew games and emulators of an old Nintendo or Sega console because hooking up a 20 year old game console looks like utter shit on my brand new shiny HDTV, what it's to them? If that's all I do then who cares?
If I hack my PS3 with the sole intent of hacking my games online so i can cheat online, then Sony has the power to drop the ban hammer on me. Because my actions aren't fair to those others who are playing online and being fair about it.
Now as far as the piracy of retail PS3 games go, I don't think that is much of a concern because Blu Rays can contain a massive amounts of data that can be upwards to 50 GB. Now personally at my house I have a cap of data usage of 250 GB a month. If i want to download a large PS3 game, thats already a 1/5th of my data already down the tubes. Plus if my upload/download rate is slow, getting all of that data will take a rather long time, so I'm not gonna waste my time downloading a game I will probably not play for that much. A reason I play some games via emulation or pirate a music CD is seeing if I like the thing before I waste my money on it. A good way for Sony to curb piracy of games would be having more demos of their games, especially for those on the PSP and PSN games, where the demos are rather thin. And if I don't like the demo, then I wont buy the game. But if there is no demo I will either say "forget it" or pirate it.
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Hatta wrote:I know if I met a Sony exec or his spouse on the street I'd like to know, so I can offer him a well deserved "go fuck yourself".
Or his spouse? So someone who has absolutely nothing to do with the problems that you have with Sony is fair game for receiving your hatred? A completely innocent third party is somehow guilty because of a trivial relation? That, sir, is the big problem with anonymous' style of "hurting" Sony. The only people actually inconvenienced by what they did were the very gamers that they claimed to be trying to protect. And in fact they hurt a far larger number of people by doing that than Sony ever did by removing the other OS shit.
I feel old when talking to anyone my age yet too inexperienced to effectively talk to anyone older. Life is grand that way.
If you're married to a mobster, you should expect some degree of scorn. Sony is little better than an organized crime syndicate, so we should treat them little better. If you associate with people of bad character it reflects on you, there should be a social cost to that. If an inordinate amount of public attention breaks up a marriage or two, that may just be the only deterrent we have to future bad behavior. We're certainly not going to get any justice through the justice system.
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Hatta wrote:If you're married to a mobster, you should expect some degree of scorn. Sony is little better than an organized crime syndicate, so we should treat them little better. If you associate with people of bad character it reflects on you, there should be a social cost to that. If an inordinate amount of public attention breaks up a marriage or two, that may just be the only deterrent we have to future bad behavior. We're certainly not going to get any justice through the justice system.
'Cause I...wanna be...anarchy.
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Hatta wrote:If you're married to a mobster, you should expect some degree of scorn. Sony is little better than an organized crime syndicate, so we should treat them little better. If you associate with people of bad character it reflects on you, there should be a social cost to that. If an inordinate amount of public attention breaks up a marriage or two, that may just be the only deterrent we have to future bad behavior. We're certainly not going to get any justice through the justice system.
Quoted for posterity, just in case you ever decide to go back and edit this...whatever it is. Lol.
Maybe now Nintendo will acknowledge Metroid has a fanbase?
brunoafh wrote:
I'm not making an attempt to justify Sony's mandatory removal of features, I'm just saying it's not the huge deal that gamers made it out to be. As a gamer, I was more troubled by Sony's decision to stop supporting backwards compatibility than their decision to stop supporting my ability to be able to install a Unix based OS.
So you embrace the fact that Sony can and will remove features from your devices at will with no repercussions? Here's how backwards your 'it didn't affect the average user so it's not worth worrying about' argument is. I sell you a car with a CD player in it, then decide 3 months down the line that I think you might be using that CD player to play pirated CDs on it. I then come into your house, take your keys and state "you can have the CD player but you can't drive the car, if I take the CD player out, you can have the keys back". You'd tell me to GTFO and call the police. Now that hasn't affected the average road user one iota. Just you. So if we were to 'not make a huge deal out of it' then neither should the police or the courts when you report me to the police... You wouldn't stand for it. Why should we stand for it when Sony do the exact same thing to us? Just because Sony can do this to you without entering your house doesn't mean it's any less illegal.
And for the record, I did complain to Sony and Argos (I've already explained my stance on this issue many times on this forum, just search for it), I never even got a response.
I'm not going to say Sony didn't have this coming, (they kind of did when they challenged the hacking scene,) but it's absurd. This isn't going to get anybody anywhere. Sony couldn't care less.
All it's doing is hurting people who don't run custom firmware and simply want to come home and play Call of Duty or Marvel vs Capcom 3 online. Nice job, Anon.
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Niode wrote:So you embrace the fact that Sony can and will remove features from your devices at will with no repercussions? Here's how backwards your 'it didn't affect the average user so it's not worth worrying about' argument is. I sell you a car with a CD player in it, then decide 3 months down the line that I think you might be using that CD player to play pirated CDs on it. I then come into your house, take your keys and state "you can have the CD player but you can't drive the car, if I take the CD player out, you can have the keys back". You'd tell me to GTFO and call the police. Now that hasn't affected the average road user one iota. Just you. So if we were to 'not make a huge deal out of it' then neither should the police or the courts when you report me to the police... You wouldn't stand for it. Why should we stand for it when Sony do the exact same thing to us? Just because Sony can do this to you without entering your house doesn't mean it's any less illegal.
And for the record, I did complain to Sony and Argos (I've already explained my stance on this issue many times on this forum, just search for it), I never even got a response.
I was just saying there's nothing to be so up in arms about. Somebody breaking into my house, stealing my car keys, and demanding that they have my CD player is a completely different thing than Sony removing a feature that only applies to a small percentage of the user base from my PS3 via an online "update".
But I see what you're getting at. It was an unfair move, I know.
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