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Re: Wrestling games.

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Gamerforlife wrote:
Dude wrote:Another thing I wanted to add is I've never really understood Hulkamania. I find it quite shallow after the first couple of viewings because Hogan is not a very good wrestler. It requires that he be down in a match and call upon these unknown powers. He exhibits none of the blood, sweat, and tears of a champion of say Bret Hart (or any other for that matter). It's simply the boot and a leg drop. The End.

The best thing Hogan ever did IMO was when he went bad with NWO. Some of his matches with Ric Flair then were quite good because he didn't have super powers anymore and could take in pain like the other "normal" wrestlers.

Personally if I were to pick just one wrestler it would be Ric Flair. He was a sound technical wrestler, but maybe more importantly he was/is a tremendous dramatic actor. I still find his acting to be pretty much unequaled. I imagine there's an argument for overacting, but I find the depth of his acting quite real most of the time. (For get which Wrestlemania but the barbed wire match against Mick Foley comes to mind.) I get as much mileage out his interviews, including the golden years with the Four Horsemen. His best years were with the NWA IMO, and my favorite era of wrestling was the NWA's small in-house matches as opposed to the giant seating venues.

I also wanted to add that I think Vince McMahon is an unmistakable marketing genius. If he can sell Dusty Rhodes in yellow polka dots -- he can sell pretty much anything. The Dusty Rhodes thing doesn't hold up now, but the point is he did make it sell.
Hogan was to kids like me what Cena is to young kids today. Back then, I was a mark. I didn't know anything about wrestling beyond what I saw on tv. I couldn't tell the bad wrestlers from the good ones. I just knew that Hulk was a hero who always brought down the bad guys with his super hero like strength. I view Hogan strangely now. There is still that part of me that would nostalgically mark out whenever he showed up in the WWE sporting the old Hulkamania colors and doing something cool like taking on the Rock in a battle of icons even while the older me knew that he was a crappy wrestler, a part of a horrible reality tv series and an extremely greedy man with a big ego. Whenever he would come back to the WWE for whatever reason I would try to silence the old me and just let the kid in me have his nostalgic fun.

When you get right down to it though, Hulk was a product, much like Cena is. Vince loves Cena because he sells more t-shirts than other, more talented guys in the company. Though to Cena's credit he does love the business and can cut a great promo. I have never seen anyone handle hostile crowds as well as him either. I don't think he will ever be the "face" of the company in the same way guys like Rock, Hogan and Austin were though, but then again you could say that wrestling was more popular during those guys hey days

Vince may be a marketing genius, but Paul Heyman was the guy who could take ANYONE and get them over somehow. He was a master at finding something, anything in a wrestler and using it to make that guy get over with the crowd. Remember too, that a lot of the WWF's best years were the ones when Vince was pretty much ripping of ECW.
Another I didn't appreciate was when Bret Hart lost to Yokozuna (by cheating presumably) and then Hulk challenges the new champ on the spot and wins in a matter of seconds with his usual finishing move. Sorry for nit picking, but I did find it insulting really.

With Vince I would agree that he isn't selling anything new, but his genius lies in his ability to sell it better than anyone else.
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Re: Wrestling games.

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Gamerforlife wrote:
Breetai wrote:Are you a fan of wrestling? Used to be a huge fan. Now just a passing fan.

What is your favourite franchise? WWE I guess. It's the easiest to follow.

What are your favourite wrestling games? Any of the six N64 AKI games. Tecmo World Wrestling on NES.
What are your least favourite wrestling games? Can stand WWF RAW on SNES/Genesis. Finishing moves ruined it. Same with The Arcade Game and In Your House
Which ones do you own or have owned? Tons of them on many systems.
Who are your favourite wrestlers? Ric Flair, Jake Roberts, Randy Savage, Ted DiBiase (Sr.), Rick Rude, Jacques Rougeau, Dean Malenko, Eddie Guerrero, Dynamite Kid, Chris Benoit, Chris Jericho, Booker T, Shawn Michaels, Bret Hart, Mick Foley, Randy Orton (yes, he is awesome), Satoru Sayama, Mitsuharu Misawa, Antonio Inoki, Kenta Kobashi, Jyushin Liger, Keiji Mutoh, etc....

Favourite matches: BOTH Shawn Michaels vs. Razor Ramon ladder matches, Bret vs. Owen Hart at Wrestlemania X, Davey Boy Smith vs. Bret Hart at Summerslam '92... many others
What are you talking about? Randy Orton is not awesome. Only the Miz is AWWWWESOME!!!!!!!!!!

All kidding aside though, I'm a huge Randy Orton fan too
His father was a much better [technical] wrestler, but the son has more charisma.
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Dude wrote:At times I wonder if Vince was on steroids himself.
He was. I forget if he admitted it or if was proven during the whole court debacle in the 80s, but that is the only reason he's built the way he is today (and yes, you can see if whenever he bleeds or gets put on Muscle Fitness again). Back then, it wasn't illegal yet.

It may also explain why he's a little over-the-top sometimes.

Then again, various wrestler auto-biographies have shown that Vince always wanted to be a full-time wrestler himself, acting like a kid taking bumps in the ring (or out of the ring) whenever he could.
Dude wrote:Another thing I wanted to add is I've never really understood Hulkamania. I find it quite shallow after the first couple of viewings because Hogan is not a very good wrestler.
I'll have to dig for the source, but the "icon" of the buff blonde who would shrug off blows and "power up" was originally supposed to be given to Greg "the Hammer" Valentine. But Terry Boella was such a better actor at portraying a variety of emotions, it was a no-brainer to give it to him.

Also, before I join the Weasel Club and profuse how "I knew it all along", the Undertaker does a similar supernatural gimmick, as does John Cena to a similar extent (he survives being set on fire, thrown through spotlights, plowing through cars...). Didn't the Great Muta start the whole "comeback-from-a-sleeper-hold" schtick?
Gamerforlife wrote:Vince may be a marketing genius, but Paul Heyman was the guy who could take ANYONE and get them over somehow. He was a master at finding something, anything in a wrestler and using it to make that guy get over with the crowd.
It's because he's passionate. Ever see that RollerBall (2002) movie remake? Paul Heyman is what makes that crapfest movie entertaining. (And he wasn't even credited!)

Vince is more of a micro-manager than creative. He's always been about "getting the most" out of his investments rather than trying to out-do himself.
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GigaPepsiMan wrote:*Could not see any topics on it so I thought why not*
Are you a fan of wrestling?
What is your favourite franchise?
What are your favourite wrestling games?
What are your least favourite wrestling games?
Which ones do you own or have owned?
Who are your favourite wrestlers?

To answer my own questions:
Yes.
WWF.
WWF No Mercy, Smackdown 2: Know your Role, WWF Wrestlemania 2000 and WWF Betrayal
WWF: Road to Wrestlemania X8 (GBA and Cube), WCW Nitro.
WWF No Mercy, Smackdown 2, wrestlemania 2000, wwf betrayal, road to wrestlemania x8, WWF Wrestlemania the arcade game, WCW Nitro, The Simpsons wrestling.
The Rock, Stone Cold Steve Austin, kurt Angle, Rob Van Dam, Mick Foley, Booker T, Sting, Hulk Hogan and Team 3D.
Awesome thread! Glad I finally found one for this!

1-To quote Stone Cold Steve Austin: "OH HELL YEAH!!!"
2-WWE/F (yeah I know same thing but I still have issues with them having to change it to WWE but that's another LONG story :evil: )
3- Pro Wrestling (NES), World Championship Wrestling (NES), Wrestlemania Challenge (NES), Tecmo World Wrestling (NES), WWF Superstars (arcade), WWF Wrestlefest (arcade), WWF Super Wrestlemania (SNES & Genesis), Royal Rumble (Both SNES & Genesis), WWF RAW (Both SNES & genesis), WCW vsNWO (N64), WWF games on N64, WWF Attitude (PS1), Smackdown series (PS1 &PS2), WWE No Mercy (Gamecube), Legends of Wrestling series (PS2,GC, Xbox)
4-Tag Team Wrestling (NES), Hammerlock Wrestling (SNES), WWF Royal Rumble (Dreamcast I think it was), ECW (the 1st one on PS1), WCW Nitro & Thunder(PS1).
5-Way too many to list here considering I have a shitload of videogames in my collection! :wink:
6- Stone Cold Steve Austin, The Rock, Ricky Steamboat, The Ultimate Warrior, Road Warriors, Demolition, Dudley Boys, Taz, Sting, RVD, Undertaker, Al Snow, Mick Foley, Chris Jericho, Batista, Tommy Dreamer, etc
I am addicted to video games, especially retro gaming from my era. I have: NES, SNES, Nintendo 64, Gamecube, Gameboy, GBA, Wii, Sega Genesis, Sega CD, Dreamcast, PS1, PS2, Xbox, and Xbox 360. I have probably over 1,000 games in total for all these systems combined. Yes, I need help and I wouldn't have it any other way! This is my passion and hey my wife still loves me!!
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sevin0seven wrote:Are you a fan of wrestling?
when i'm in the mood.
What is your favorite franchise?
WWE, TNA story line sucks...oh that's two answers. :roll:
What are your favorite wrestling games?
the two wrestling game i really enjoy playing are Tecmo Wrestling and WWF No Mercy
What are your least favorite wrestling games?
Raw vs Smackdown Series
Which ones do you own or have owned?
All three i have mention above, too lazy to list the rest right now..
Who are your favorite wrestlers?
Bret Hart, Shawn Michaels, The Rock, Goldberg, Mr. Perfect, Hulk Hogan and the rapper Macho Man Randy Savage. :lol:
Wrestling fans are the only fans worse then sports for being absolute **** riders. You forgot Stone Cold <-- people like him I think because he won a lot.... I am not a 100% though?

Anyways... The THQ games on N64 were great

Scott Hall is the greatest overall wrestler hands down.
- The look
- The charisma
- Mic skills
- Awesome in ring performer
- His move set was sweet 'who else choke slams dudes as a regular move'?
- The only dude that lost matches he was scripted to win "putting over Jericho"
- Responsible for Sting's "Crow gimmick"
- The Lone Wolf
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