PC Gaming Is Dying

[Limewater]

well, that's how it read in your abbreviated explanation a few posts up.

Dude. Would you be OK with it if you came home to find that someone had poked around your house, looking through your laundry and in your medicine cabinet, and messed with your daughter's toys?

That's kind of what it feels like to have someone use your accounts for fraud. I don't have a whole lot of attachment to my material possessions, and think I would hold up pretty well to losing most of them. That doesn't mean I like the idea of someone poking around and using my identity to steal things, or know that someone I don't know or trust could mess with my accounts at any time.

That's the part that I think is closer to the piracy situation. And it sucks.

[Inazuma]

Great! Now I don't have to feel bad when I point and laugh at folks with Downs Syndrome and call them "retards."

If you were trying to insult a retard by calling him a retard, not only are you making a fool of yourself, but you are just being an asshole about it. Even though you are insulting yourself more than the retard, your intention is to upset the retard so what you are doing is wrong.

Yes, it sounds silly. You don't have the power to ban anything. Also, situations like this are why I don't believe in results-based morality, like the system you assume and are advocating.

If that sort of thing was said by someone who did have the power to ban something, it would still be very difficult for him to actually ban something without any reason whatsoever. Things have been banned without a good reason before (cursing, nudity for example), but that doesn't make them right.

They also don't like losing control over their intellectual property, or having their rights violated. If someone works for years and puts his heart and soul into creating something, it shouldn't be too surprising if control of his creation is taken from him.

For example, Allan Moore created Watchmen, though DC still owns the rights in a situation that surprised him years ago. He was angry about the film version. He didn't want it made, and he didn't want to receive any money from it. This wasn't a guy who was angry over lost profits. This was a guy angry over people doing something with his creation that he did not want them to do, and, had he received the rights to his work when he expected to, could have prevented. And that's not even a copyright infringement.

If he didn't want DC to own the rights to his creation, then why did give him them the rights? If DC broke their contract with Moore to make the movie, I'm sure he could have sued them for it.

I can understand him being mad if a Watchmen movie without his permission. Would this movie be morally OK? Depends on how well made it is, how popular it is, how much money it made, etc.

Someone could draw a stick figure, name it Watchmen, and then throw it in the trash. Someone else could make a big budget, major Hollywood Watchmen movie, and make millions of dollars in profit from it.

[Hobie-wan]

Making the game available to download is like holding a 100$ bill in front of a homeless person's face, how can they not take it?

Bullshit. Do you walk down the sidewalk and steal things out of people's garages just because they happen to be open in the middle of the day? Have you ever had a retail job? Do you plan to stuff random bills in your pocket just because all of that money is in your face? It's pretty common for stores to start with $100 in change and bills in the register at the beginning of the day so they can provide change to customers.

Anyway, yay, we've all fed the troll and gotten into another pointless argument about piracy where everyone says the same shit and nobody changes their mind.

[GSZX1337]

Well, now we're done talking about how PC Gaming is dying, let's talk about what matters. My PC is dying.

[Inazuma]

Well, now we're done talking about how PC Gaming is dying, let's talk about what matters. My PC is dying.

I know how you feel. My main PC just died last week. It's over 5 years old, so instead of fixing it, I said fuck it and just ordered a new one.

I decided to go with one of those new solid state drives. I'm hoping that will speed up load times for PC games like Dungeon Fighter Online.

[Limewater]

Even though you are insulting yourself more than the retard, your intention is to upset the retard so what you are doing is wrong.

That's not possible. From your previous post:

That doesn't count. If it did count, I could get anything banned by simply saying that it upsets me and hurts my feelings.

You have already established that hurting feelings is not wrong because it's "silly."

If he didn't want DC to own the rights to his creation, then why did give him them the rights? If DC broke their contract with Moore to make the movie, I'm sure he could have sued them for it.

When he made his agreement with DC, he expected to have the rights within a few years. But, since it was very successful, DC was able to use a loophole in the contract to keep the rights.

I can understand him being mad if a Watchmen movie without his permission. Would this movie be morally OK? Depends on how well made it is, how popular it is, how much money it made, etc.

I thought the morality was based upon whether it hurt someone or not. I don't see how popularity or making money fit into your established definition of morality.

Getting back to the actual point, Allan Moore was hurt emotionally by what was done to his creation, and the hurt was not based upon money he lost. That was the whole point of the Allan Moore example-- not how he should have negotiated for a better contract at the beginning.

[GSZX1337]

Well, now we're done talking about how PC Gaming is dying, let's talk about what matters. My PC is dying.

I know how you feel. My main PC just died last week. It's over 5 years old, so instead of fixing it, I said fuck it and just ordered a new one.

Heh, I'm in a similar boat. My PC is ~6 years old (with some upgrades) and am also going to build a new one. I'm just having it on life support 'til I can scrape up the cash for the new build.

[Dylan]

Well, now we're done talking about how PC Gaming is dying, let's talk about what matters. My PC is dying.

I know how you feel. My main PC just died last week. It's over 5 years old, so instead of fixing it, I said fuck it and just ordered a new one.

Heh, I'm in a similar boat. My PC is ~6 years old (with some upgrades) and am also going to build a new one. I'm just having it on life support 'til I can scrape up the cash for the new build.

Mine burned out earlier this year, though it was only at about 3 years old. I had made the absolutely horrible decision of getting a cheap PSU, and everything fried. I did manage to salvage some of the parts, and I had enough lying around to slap on it and get it running again. It works fine now but I'll probably end up getting a new unit soon as well.

[Inazuma]

@Limewater

Getting upset at someone even though they did nothing, doesn't count.
Getting upset at someone who tried to verbally insult you by calling you a retard, is understandable and that makes sense. Their intent is to upset you, and it ends up upsetting you, so that's wrong. True yes, but it was certainly mean to attempt to upset a retard by calling him a retard.

I just drew a stick figure on a piece of paper, titled it Watchmen and then threw the paper into the trash can. Even if Moore found out about this and it upset him, do I deserve to be fined or jailed for it?

If I made a high quality movie of Watchmen and charged people money to see it, that would be a different story.

You are too stuck on saying everything is good or everything is bad. My point is that things can be good or bad, depending on the particular situation.

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@Limewater
Just to make sure, your main point is that copyright infringement is wrong, no matter what, correct?

[the7k]

To me, downloading a game is like borrowing it from a friend.

Sweet f***ing Jesus, people are completely delusional these days. You borrow a game from a friend, your friend at least paid for the game beforehand, unless you are friends with a thief.

This is more like borrowing $60 from a friend who counterfeits bills as a hobby - and never giving the money back on top of it. Sure, you haven't technically stolen anything. However, you have squandered all the work that the development team put into the game, simply because you feel entitled to enjoy a game others have worked so hard to create.

You might not be stealing, but you are still a thief. You are still getting something for nothing, and at the expensive of those that made the product.