Are 1st person shooters, Shoot 'em ups now?

[k.vlaros]

I don't think the original post is about genre ambiguity so much as one term being co-opted by a much more popular genre in the public consciousness. And I think depending on the audience the answer to the question is 'yes' and will be more clearly 'yes' in a couple years barring a major resurgence of shumps outside of Japan.

[noiseredux]

are gloves, shoes now?

[Limewater]

are gloves, shoes now?

They can be if you get out there are work hard convincing people to call them that!

[Bradtemple87]

Well if they want to steal shoot 'em up now then we can take back the shooters title

[Niode]

Because it is a action adventure and always has been since the 80s.

The perspective is different (overhead vs. sidescrolling vs. behind character). The controls are different (overhead combat vs. platforming-style vs. target locking). The combat is different (and the more modern games don't tend to focus as much on combat).

I'd argue that Metal Slug is closer gameplay-wise to Parodius than Twilight Princess is to the original Legend of Zelda.

Game taxonomy is fun and often useful, but I don't see the big deal about it.

Woah. Back-the fuck-up now. By your logic Mario 64 and Super Mario World are completely different genres? No, didn't think so.

[Limewater]

Woah. Back-the fuck-up now. By your logic Mario 64 and Super Mario World are completely different genres? No, didn't think so.

They're a lot further apart than, again, Metal Slug is to Parodius.


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No, I don't really think that Super Mario 64 and Super Mario World are different genres. I don't really care a whole lot how they're classified. My main point was how the "shooting" genres are all really, really narrow, while nobody bats an eye at the great diversity of titles that fall under "action adventure"

[Ack]

I'd say that shmups and FPS are two extreme ends in the same "shooter" genre, but the two really don't seem to match until you've considered what all goes between. If you take into account all of the other kinds of shooters, I feel it makes more sense:

shmups --- rail shooters --- light gun shooters --- FPS

In my opinion, this is the way one must consider the shooter hierarchy. I'd also say that some of these larger genres can have deeper subgenres which are closer to one side of the other. For instances, Doom seems closer to light gun and rail shooters than something like S.T.A.L.K.E.R., though if you consider the railroading during the plot, somebody might say Call of Duty 4 is closer than Doom due to its strict linearity.

You can have widely divergent ideas in the same genre. Consider Power Stone, Bushido Blade, Super Smash Bros., Bio FREAKS, and King of Fighters 98. They all came out in the late 1990s, and they're all fighting games, but there are some radical differences between them. They're still in the same overall Fighting genre though. The sports genre includes the likes of boxing, soccer, and darts-based games. The puzzle genre has titles like Tetris, Echochrome, and Cacoma Knight in Bizyland, which are all quite different.

[D.D.D.]

Well if they want to steal shoot 'em up now then we can take back the shooters title

I think we should.

[fvgazi]

I think we should change the genre to "spaceships + explosions".

[dsheinem]

I think we should change the genre to "spaceships + explosions".

except these days it is lolis + flowers