Random Thoughts Thread

[Ack]

Yeah, that's actually about what I was expecting. If you've missed the point, I'm very sorry.

[Erik_Twice]

Yeah, that's actually about what I was expecting. If you've missed the point, I'm very sorry.

Again, holier than thou attitude.

Why don't you accept and apologize for the several times you have claimed to know what I think or what I have watched better than me?

[Ack]

Yeah, that's actually about what I was expecting. If you've missed the point, I'm very sorry.

Again, holier than thou attitude.

Why don't you accept and apologize for the several times you have claimed to know what I think or what I have watched better than me?

Because you seem so interested in taking a deep look at animation, yet you have a habit of focusing so strictly on flaws.

I've stated multiple times that I want people to attempt to find the good in games, no matter how terrible. I also feel this way regarding other mediums. If you go back and reread that long post I wrote, there are several parts where I state I feel you have a limited view and want you to focus on the circumstances surrounding the work while taking a much more sympathetic look at the animation's quality. I want you to think a bit about what you did like in animation like Scooby-Doo or Howl's Moving Castle and go on to seek the high points in other animation, even that which you don't like. If you're going to take a critical eye to any given medium, I figure one must attempt to truly appreciate it, and your previous posts in your animation thread always struck me as negative, as if you were far more focused on what you didn't like. You pay a lot of attention to detail...I think you should relax when you watch animation and try to accept it, flaws and all.

[Erik_Twice]

Why don't you accept and apologize for the several times you have claimed to know what I think or what I have watched better than me?

Because you seem so interested in taking a deep look at animation, yet you have a habit of focusing so strictly on flaws.

So the reason why you can talk shit about me is because I'm (in your opinion) overly critical? How logically related...

[Ack]

Why don't you accept and apologize for the several times you have claimed to know what I think or what I have watched better than me?

Because you seem so interested in taking a deep look at animation, yet you have a habit of focusing so strictly on flaws.

So the reason why you can talk shit about me is because I'm (in your opinion) overly critical? How logically related...

[lisalover1]

[Erik_Twice]

Is that the best you can do to justify how you know more about me than me? Or why being critical somehow justifies baseless claims about me to be made?

[YoshiEgg25]

Is that the best you can do to justify how you know more about me than me? Or why being critical somehow justifies baseless claims about me to be made?

Come on bro, he's mutilating your view. Make a decent counter-argument, it'll be more entertaining for the rest of us.

[alienjesus]

So you like a couple of animes and Looney Toons. There's a lot more to animation than just those.

Chief, I've seen you criticize Hanna-Barbera, the Pink Panther, Disney, Miyazaki, and I've seen you condemn other animes besides the couple that you put up as owning, and in some cases, this opinion seems to be formed off viewing only one or two pieces of a much larger body of work. If you didn't like Howl's Moving Castle, fine, but go watch more of his work before criticizing Miyazaki. Same with the classic Disney films and shorts, with HB's shorts and series, with other Warner Bros. cartoons, anime, MGM animation, and much more.

I don't blame him for not liking Hannah Barbera, I never found any of there stuff that funny or even interesting (with the exception of Scooby Doo perhaps EDIT: Oh wait, and Wacky Races and Catch The Pigeon, they were pretty funny too). However, I must say I love me some classic disney (and some more modern disney, like chip n dale and ducktales, and even more modern ones like Recess and even Finneas and Ferb - hey I find it funny, don't judge me) , probably even more so than classic Looney Tunes or Tom and Jerry (which I aslo love), and the one or two miyazaki films I've seen I really enjoyed. I really havent watched all that much anime though, I guess I should try some more.
The Pink Panther never impressed me much either - I didn't find it to be especially funny, and the very pink colour pallete while novel at first kind of ended up having the same effect as the overly brown games now - despite being a bright colour, it ended up being very bland when its all you saw for so long. I love the theme (I can even play it on saxophone and clarinet), but I can see how it would grate on peoples nerves too.


Now its time ofr my fighting words - I never liked Woody Woodpecker. At all.

Chilly Willy was ok, but woody woodpecker annoyed the hell out of me. That damn laugh is the most irritating thing of all time, and I never found the character charming or funny - I actually thought he deserved something bad happening to him, the way he acts. Now other cartoon characters debatably deserve it too - Jerry in tom and jerry being an good example, and yet I never found those characters to be as annoying. There never seems to be any reason to support Woody to me, hes just a dick.

My favourite animations of all time might be Count Duckula and Dangermouse though - and not just because they're British. They're just so funny, even now (more so now I'm an adult actually, the humour was sometimes a little lost on me as a kid - the same applies to animaniacs, which has only become more hilarious as I've aged).

First of all, it may come as a surprise to you but I have seen every film Disney made except for the wartime compilations and Song of the South for obvious reasons.

Obvious reasons? Was Song of the South banned or something? I have that film on VHS, I had no idea it was considered offensive now. I always just judged it as a sign of the times in which it was made and in which it was set.

BTW, whilst I agree that the heros and heroines of disney films are often very bland, they always manage to fill them with lovable secondary characters - sebastian in the little mermaid, Lumiere in Beauty and the Beast, Mushu in Mulan, Phil in Hercules (debatably hercules isnt anywhere near as bland though), Genie in Aladdin, Timone and Pumbaa in the Lion King. Maybe theres a slight exception in the earlier stuff (I dont find the mice in Cinderella or Dopey/Grumpy in Snow White very entertaining at all, despite that presumably being the idea) but I assume that might be because it was intended for a younger audience at a different time, and those characters might seem a little bland or tame to me, but entertain them a lot. My least favourite Disney films are arguably missing these characters - I never found Brother Bear or The Fox and the Hound very entertaining, and I cant remember any funny secondary characters in them - that speaks volumes to me. Pocahontas is another one like this, even though I can remember the 'entertaining' characters in that - but they were more underused in that one, presumably to keep a focus on a story I can only presume they felt was more important to follow slightly closer to the source than they normally do. Still not a particularly accurate telling of the tale afaik though.

[Erik_Twice]

Come on bro, he's mutilating your view.

The problem is that it's not my view, he is talking with a strawman. He is not talking with me so I can't answer back.

And the sad part is that even then he fails, because he claims to know more about what the strawman likes than the strawman itself.


@alienjesus

Those are not fighting words, there's nothing wrong with not liking something.

I can see why you don't like Woodpecker, however, the point is that he is kind of a dick. In "The Barber of Seville", for example, it's just funny how much he enjoys slooowly opening the razor in front of his poor "customer". In fact, his shorts started to go downhill when an executive told the creatives to tame him down and give him a reason to be a dick.

Woody is like an exaggerated teenager, full of energy, cunning but not smart and while not evil he is surely mischievous.

It's also true that Woodpecker's shorts are kind of hit or miss because while they had a popular character to work with, they didn't have a solid director until they were seven shorts in. The overall quality seems to be lower than the stuff made by Warner Bros.

EDIT: Yes, Song of the South is considered racist by Disney and so will never release it again. The VHS you have was sold in the UK and a Laserdisc was sold in Japan but that's it. Given that Disney still censors Fantasia and thinks that 4:3 is "family unfriendly" it's not a surprise. They are extremely conservative and will not accept any kind of controversy that could damage their family-friendly image.

EDIT2 : They also digitally removed cigars from The Three Caballeros when they released it in DVD. They will not admit that they ever did anything "family unfriendly".