Random Thoughts Thread

[Erik_Twice]

Chief, I've noticed you don't seem to actually like much animation,

Them's fighting words, dude


I think that for someone with no interest in animation I surely spent a good dime on importing those dvds. I only started to build my DVD collection 4 months ago and considering I only have 4 other DVDs (That I got for 1€ at a pawn shop) I think I like animation.

There's also a bit of unreleased anime on my computer along with the complete Tex Avery MGM shorts (Not released without huge amounts of censorship) and some UPA ones (Not released either).

and you tend to base this opinion off only watching one or two works from any particular area.

What opinion? What does "area" mean? Where did I say that? Those are very, very harsh words to throw around lightly.

[Wolfgang]

Did I leave the oven on? If so, leave it on. Who gives a care about the electric/gas bill, it's not like I'M paying for it...

[Ack]

Chief, I've noticed you don't seem to actually like much animation,

Them's fighting words, dude


I think that for someone with no interest in animation I surely spent a good dime on importing those dvds. I only started to build my DVD collection 4 months ago and considering I only have 4 other DVDs (That I got for 1€ at a pawn shop) I think I like animation.

There's also a bit of unreleased anime on my computer along with the complete Tex Avery MGM shorts (Not released without huge amounts of censorship) and some UPA ones (Not released either).

and you tend to base this opinion off only watching one or two works from any particular area.

What opinion? What does "area" mean? Where did I say that? Those are very, very harsh words to throw around lightly.

So you like a couple of animes and Looney Toons. There's a lot more to animation than just those.

Chief, I've seen you criticize Hanna-Barbera, the Pink Panther, Disney, Miyazaki, and I've seen you condemn other animes besides the couple that you put up as owning, and in some cases, this opinion seems to be formed off viewing only one or two pieces of a much larger body of work. If you didn't like Howl's Moving Castle, fine, but go watch more of his work before criticizing Miyazaki. Same with the classic Disney films and shorts, with HB's shorts and series, with other Warner Bros. cartoons, anime, MGM animation, and much more.

[lisalover1]

Chief, I've seen you criticize Hanna-Barbera, the Pink Panther, Disney, Miyazaki, and I've seen you condemn other animes besides the couple that you put up as owning, and in some cases, this opinion seems to be formed off viewing only one or two pieces of a much larger body of work. If you didn't like Howl's Moving Castle, fine, but go watch more of his work before criticizing Miyazaki. Same with the classic Disney films and shorts, with HB's shorts and series, with other Warner Bros. cartoons, anime, MGM animation, and much more.

Couldn't have said it better myself. Also, you have to watch up to episode 8 of Gurren Lagann before you can criticize it.

[ZeroAX]

So if someone has personal taste and opinion, suddenly he doesn't like the medium?

And lisalover I've seen the entire Guren Lagan Series, and it's nothing special. The animation was to my liking, but the story.... omg the headache enducing stupidity.

[Erik_Twice]

So you like a couple of animes and Looney Toons. There's a lot more to animation than just those.

Give me five hundred dollars and I will buy it.

And then, what does that say about non-animated movies? Because I only have 4 of them. Does that mean I don't like movies?

I mean Ack, are you really telling me that you know better than me what I like?

Also, where's your collection?

Chief, I've seen you criticize Hanna-Barbera, the Pink Panther, Disney, Miyazaki, and I've seen you condemn other animes besides the couple that you put up as owning,

First of all, that I don't like or think that they are not so good doesn't mean that I don't like animation. There's a difference between liking animation and liking everything that is animated.

John K rants everyday in his blog about how bad the above are, tell him that he doesn't like animation

Why shouldn't I criticize something? Don't you do the same in your blog? Should I like every single anime? Should I say every single anime is good? If something is bad I will say it is bad, if something is good I will say it's good. Good things can have flaws, the dialogue in Star Wars, or the plot hole in Citizen Kane.

Hanna Barbera

The production of Hanna Barbera is horrible, how the same people who won 7 oscars with Tom & Jerry when working for MGM managed to do such crappy cartoons is beyond me. Chuck Jones used to say it was not animation, it was "illustrated radio" for a reason.

Pink Panther

I talked about what I thought about one (1) Pink Panther short (The Pink Phink, for those interested).

All I said about it is that it starts slow, gets better in the second half and that playing the same song during 6 minutes is repetitive. Wow, so much hate And even if I gave it a bad review, what's the problem? You are free to disagree but not to claim that "I don't like animation".

Disney

First of all, it may come as a surprise to you but I have seen every film Disney made except for the wartime compilations and Song of the South for obvious reasons. In fact, I used to have all of them in VHS, including Fantasia uncensored. I have seen all their most well-known shorts, and actually like quite a bit Goofy.

Disney is not a perfect company that everything it touched turned gold. Their main characters tend to be bland and generic. Aladdin, Arthur, whatever that guy from Treasure Planet was called, the guy from Atlantis, Snow White, Sleeping Beauty, Mickey Mouse, all bland characters that palled in comparison to the far better seconday characters.

While Pinnocho or Dumbo are very good to say that Disney can't be criticized is simply naïve.

and in some cases, this opinion seems to be formed off viewing only one or two pieces of a much larger body of work.

Tell me what those cases are. Show me exactly where.

Also you changed your terms from "area" to "body of work".

If you didn't like Howl's Moving Castle, fine, but go watch more of his work before criticizing Miyazaki.

Why, can't he be criticized when he makes a bad movie?

The direction in Howl's Moving Castle and Ponyo seemed bad to me and I said it. They made me feel that he is not that good of a director, the sloppyness could be excused for an inexperienced director but he has been in the bussiness for very long.

with HB's shorts and series,

The Tom & Jerry shorts are part of MGM not Hanna-Barbera (the company).

And their series suck, it's that simple. Go watch Scooby Doo and tell me that your eyes aren't bleeding.

It doesn't help that they stole plots from Amos & Andy or the Honeymooners.

with other Warner Bros. cartoons,

What other cartoons? There are no kinds of Warner Bros cartoons made during the Golden Age that are not included on those DVDs.

anime,

Yeah, because I can't say that a certain anime is bad if I haven't watched all of them

MGM animation, and much more.

I already mentioned that I have everything Tex Avery made on my computer. I don't have Tom & Jerry because I can't afford to IMPORT DVDs from the other side of the planet. Again, give me five hundred dollars and I will buy it.

Dude, don't imply that I criticize without knowing what I'm talking about. It's sad to see you claim that I haven't watched Disney movies as if I lived under a rock my entire life.

@lisalover1

I didn't criticize Gurren Lagan, I said I didn't like it. There's a huge difference.

[lisalover1]

So if someone has personal taste and opinion, suddenly he doesn't like the medium?

And lisalover I've seen the entire Guren Lagan Series, and it's nothing special. The animation was to my liking, but the story.... omg the headache enducing stupidity.

Okay, if you have seen the whole series, then you do have the right to criticize it. But, I will say that I disagree. The story was action-heavy, and no, it didn't take itself seriously for most of the time, but I certainly wouldn't call it stupid. Not all anime can be super-emo and an impenetrable, intellectually condescending fog like Evangelion.

[ZeroAX]

No, the problem I personally had with gurren lagan is that the story screamed that it was being written while they go. Unlike One Piece, where the mangaka would set up a plot point, which will be important 3 years (real time) later, Gurren Lagan simply didn't have good pacing. It reminded me of the way they wrote Power Rangers, or the way Dragonball was written, where the writers just had to extend the series cause it was popular, even though they had already set up the ending. So the later stories seems tacked on, cause well....they were.


Plus killing Kamina off? Come on! You kill the only likable character in your show, and try and have Simon take over?

[Dude]

So a guy walks into the grocery and tells the other people angrily, "Y'all are walking in the wrong f--king direction!" He was talking about how customers were entering through the "exit" door. The problem is that he also was entering through the exit door.

What is red and green and goes round and round and round? Kermit the Frog in a blender.

Hey, it's a random thoughts thread, right?

[lisalover1]

We were supposed to draw a diagram of the Human brain in Psychology class today. My first drawing failed, and it ended up being a drawing of Opa-Opa.