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[GSZX1337]

If piracy is wrong, there must be an argument out there that actually makes sense

Why?

You're asking why there should be a good argument about why piracy is wrong?

[Limewater]

If piracy is wrong, there must be an argument out there that actually makes sense

Why?

You're asking why there should be a good argument about why piracy is wrong?

No, I'm asking why it is necessary. Why would piracy being wrong mean that there is an argument against it that makes sense?

[jfrost]

No, I'm asking why it is necessary. Why would piracy being wrong mean that there is an argument against it that makes sense?

Because that's what being wrong means. It means that there are sensible arguments against it.

[Limewater]

Because that's what being wrong means. It means that there are sensible arguments against it.

Justify this statement.

Also, Is is a two-way street? Does the existence of sensible arguments against something mean that it is wrong?

[jfrost]

Because that's what being wrong means. It means that there are sensible arguments against it.

Justify this statement.

Something is wrong when it is not in conformity with fact or truth. If that is so, there are sensible, rational, arguments against it, otherwise it would be right.

To be sure, there can be reasonable arguments against something which is true or right; these arguments may contain mistakes, but they are essentially rational, in the sense that they are superficially right or very slightly wrong. But if there are no reasonable arguments against something, that something cannot count as wrong.

[Limewater]

Something is wrong when it is not in conformity with fact or truth. If that is so, there are sensible, rational, arguments against it, otherwise it would be right.

This definition does not seem to work in a moral setting. Say we agree for a moment that it is wrong for me to stab you with a rusty knife, and that I do it anyway. It would be a fact that I stabbed you. It would be the truth to say that I stabbed you.

To be sure, there can be reasonable arguments against something which is true or right; these arguments may contain mistakes, but they are essentially rational, in the sense that they are superficially right or very slightly wrong.

So something having rational arguments against it does not necessarily make it wrong. OK.

But if there are no reasonable arguments against something, that something cannot count as wrong.

Why? This is logically equivalent to what FlamePanther wrote and I questioned. All you have done is restate it. In that sense, we're no further along in answering my question.

[jfrost]

Something is wrong when it is not in conformity with fact or truth. If that is so, there are sensible, rational, arguments against it, otherwise it would be right.

This definition does not seem to work in a moral setting. Say we agree for a moment that it is wrong for me to stab you with a rusty knife, and that I do it anyway. It would be a fact that I stabbed you. It would be the truth to say that I stabbed you.

It does work. It's true that you would have stabbed me. It's not true that you should have.

But if there are no reasonable arguments against something, that something cannot count as wrong.

Why? This is logically equivalent to what FlamePanther wrote and I questioned. All you have done is restate it. In that sense, we're no further along in answering my question.

I disagree. I didn't just restate it. I provided the argument in the first part you quoted.

[noiseredux]

this is what I meant about making popcorn.

[ZeroAX]

Piracy will be 100% wrong once the law starts protecting the consumers 100%.

As long as buggy unplayable games are the norm and you aren't offered a refund if the game is buggy, as long as companies think they can own your soul if you agree to the EULA terms, as long as companies take away advertised features from a game you payed for (see closing of online servers, and no option of running your own), as long as we get less packaging for a higher price, as long as all those are happening the game industry can go screw itself for all I care.

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@noise

you're no fun, get into the fray . Oh I know how to get you heated up. The gameboy....I mean the PSP sucks

[jfrost]

this is what I meant about making popcorn.

I'm eating cheese bread.