N64 control stick: Analog or Digital?

[Limewater]

I actually reverted your change CRTGAMER. Sorry about that. Our discussion here isn't really a very good source, and a little of what you wrote was pretty misleading-- E.G. you'd be hard pressed to show that the N64 method is more accurate.

[CRTGAMER]

I'm actually not very happy with that addition. This thread isn't exactly a reliable source, and we haven't made any attempt to be civil about the issue-- or at least I haven't. I'm not comfortable with this.

I actually reverted your change CRTGAMER. Sorry about that. Our discussion here isn't really a very good source, and a little of what you wrote was pretty misleading-- E.G. you'd be hard pressed to show that the N64 method is more accurate.

First at a loss about being civil, just the sharing of ideas here on Racketboy. I could care less what happens at the other forum. The issue of the N64 stick is not accuracy but a description on what that N64 stick actually does. The accuracy label points out that the sensor wheels give direct correlation compared to potentiometers.

The whole complaint here is the censorship at Wiki. I put it back in, but I left the link out this time. A simple copy and paste, don't censor my posts unless you are a mod.

As far as concerns of a reliable source, RACKETBOY is one of the best! If a Mod tells me so, I'll put the link back at Wiki too.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nintendo_6 ... alog_stick

The N64 Analog stick does not use analog potentiometers. It uses light emitting sensor diodes and sensor wheels which give a more accurate direct digital read. The sensor wheels give direct correlation compared to potentiometers. However gameplay function itself is true analog, the more the stick is pushed the faster a game character would walk to run.

[Limewater]

don't censor my posts unless you are a mod.

Everyone is a mod on Wikipedia. That's kind of the point. If I weren't, in some sense, a mod, I wouldn't be able to censor your post.

*EDIT: It didn't really end up mattering. The other guy already got rid of your post. I just posted a long discussion on the TALK page if you're interested.

[Jamisonia]

Limewater makes a good point in his discussion that the article states its digital at first, than analog everywhere else. I get the distinct impression the distinction is being forced by wikipedia users who want to distract from the N64 accomplishments in favor of Dualshock.

[Limewater]

I get the distinct impression the distinction is being forced by wikipedia users who want to distract from the N64 accomplishments in favor of Dualshock.

I don't think that's it so much as the result of what was written in the 1up.com article. Some journalist wrote it based upon some incomplete technical understanding and it was published by what many consider to be a reputable source.

I don't think it's a desire to detract from the N64 so much as a desire to be correct, but having an incomplete understanding of the situation.

There are still some questions I have that I haven't been able to find answers to. E.G., on the Dualshock, it states that the stick positions are discretized to 8-bit precision. However, it is not made clear if that is 8 bits per axis (there are two axes), or if it's actually 4 bits per axis. It could be either one, and I don't really have the equipment right now to find out. Does anyone know of a really good technical write-up of the dualshock controller?

[CRTGAMER]

My post there is not a favoritism of which is the better console. Just a statement of what the N64 stick actually does. Delete and I simply repaste. How long do you want to play this game?

[YoshiEgg25]

My post there is not a favoritism of which is the better console. Just a statement of what the N64 stick actually does. Delete and I simply repaste. How long do you want to play this game?

CRT, this thread doesn't constitute a good source. In this case, you're in the wrong. It doesn't matter if it is analog or digital; if you don't have a reputable source (which this thread is not), then you don't use it. Wikipedia does not work like other places.

[AppleQueso]

Yeah, a forum discussion is not what wikipedia considers a "reputable source", no matter how nice and well-informed the community is.

If you can find a source from some gaming news article, or perhaps even some actual N64 documentation online to link to, that'd be different.

[Limewater]

My post there is not a favoritism of which is the better console. Just a statement of what the N64 stick actually does. Delete and I simply repaste. How long do you want to play this game?

I'm not the one who deleted it. You're taking this rather personally. You should view the history page on the Wikipedia entry if you want to see things like who made what changes to the article.

Edit wars are fruitless. If there's a point of contention in the article on Wikipedia, the way to handle it is to have a civil discussion on the TALK page for the article. I am going through that channel now to attempt to reach an agreement and (hopefully) to have the N64 controller uncontroversially described as analog.

[CRTGAMER]

My post there is not a favoritism of which is the better console. Just a statement of what the N64 stick actually does. Delete and I simply repaste. How long do you want to play this game?

I'm not the one who deleted it. You're taking this rather personally. You should view the history page on the Wikipedia entry if you want to see things like who made what changes to the article.

Edit wars are fruitless. If there's a point of contention in the article on Wikipedia, the way to handle it is to have a civil discussion on the TALK page for the article. I am going through that channel now to attempt to reach an agreement and (hopefully) to have the N64 controller uncontroversially described as analog.

Okay apologies from me. I posted on the Talk page just now, what do you think of my comment below?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talk:Ninte ... alog.21.21

I don't know why my contribution keeps getting deleted. It doesn't have anything stating whether the N64 is the first or better controller, just more clarity of what the N64 stick actually does. Analog Potentiometers have resistance values that can change with age. Sensor wheels will not change in value, the reason for my post concerning the accuracy in the digital readout. I also point out that even though the sensor wheel diodes are basically a digital signal, the stick is used as analog in a sense of the GAMEPLAY, the walk to run analogy.

My contribution in question:

The N64 Analog stick does not use analog potentiometers. It uses light emitting sensor diodes and sensor wheels which give a more accurate direct digital read. The sensor wheels give direct correlation compared to potentiometers. However gameplay function itself is true analog, the more the stick is pushed the faster a game character would walk to run.

My post is to the point, simply stating of what the controller is. So what is wrong with this contribution?

I do disagree about what is a reputable source. The entire Internet or for that matter every book you read boils down to someone's opinion. I did leave the link out though.