Sega Genesis vs. SNES!?

[pepharytheworm]

You can't really count Popful Mail, as it is ONLY in Japanese and is not the same as the Sega CD version. In fact, they are completely different games! They are both action RPGs with about the same story, but that's where it ends. FMV being absent in the SFC version is barely a factor. They use entirely different game engines, with different levels, places to visit, gameplay, etc. It's like saying that Mega Man 2 and Mega Man X are the same game!

It is not proper to substitute the Fire Emblem games with Shining Force games either, unless you are damn good at Japanese. Same with mentioning Seiken Densetsu III. I really don't understand why you mentioned these games, as the majority of people who would read this cannot play them properly.

If people are including Sega CD and 32x games with the Genesis then I see no problem with adding SFC games with the SNES.

[3GenGames]

You can't really count Popful Mail, as it is ONLY in Japanese and is not the same as the Sega CD version. In fact, they are completely different games! They are both action RPGs with about the same story, but that's where it ends. FMV being absent in the SFC version is barely a factor. They use entirely different game engines, with different levels, places to visit, gameplay, etc. It's like saying that Mega Man 2 and Mega Man X are the same game!

It is not proper to substitute the Fire Emblem games with Shining Force games either, unless you are damn good at Japanese. Same with mentioning Seiken Densetsu III. I really don't understand why you mentioned these games, as the majority of people who would read this cannot play them properly.

If people are including Sega CD and 32x games with the Genesis then I see no problem with adding SFC games with the SNES.

But the SFC is Japanese console only with basically the same hardware but a bit of a difference in the library because westerners have different tastes while the Sega CD is basically a add-on to make a completely new system. I don't think is should even come close to counting. And plus if your guys system of choice is better, then why include the add-ons outside of the cart? It should beat it straight up, no add ons. Judge add ons later or in a different topic.

[Original_Name]

...the idea, and this was from earlier in the thread, was that since Super Nintendo used the Super FX Chip for games like Star Fox and Yoshi's Island to add-on capabilities to the existing SNES hardware, that it was permissible to include Sega's games which included add-on functionality to the existing Genesis hardware. I get the idea you're trying to say I'm warping the discussion or something in some twisted plot to make Sega come out on top at all costs, but the truth of the matter is that it was just a really tricky console generation. If you'd like, you can disclude games from that or any other list and make your own judgment, but my "Genesis" gets more play than my SNES because of games like Snatcher and Lunar which use the CD attachment to "add-on" to the Genesis's capabilities just like the Super FX Chip did with some SNES games... just in a bulkier, pricier manner.

[Limewater]

...the idea, and this was from earlier in the thread, was that since Super Nintendo used the Super FX Chip for games like Star Fox and Yoshi's Island to add-on capabilities to the existing SNES hardware, that it was permissible to include Sega's games which included add-on functionality to the existing Genesis hardware. I get the idea you're trying to say I'm warping the discussion or something in some twisted plot to make Sega come out on top at all costs, but the truth of the matter is that it was just a really tricky console generation. If you'd like, you can disclude games from that or any other list and make your own judgment, but my "Genesis" gets more play than my SNES because of games like Snatcher and Lunar which use the CD attachment to "add-on" to the Genesis's capabilities just like the Super FX Chip did with some SNES games... just in a bulkier, pricier manner.

It seems to me that Sega's Virtua Processor would be a much better analog for the Super FX than the entire Sega CD and 32X systems.

But, seriously, only like 20 or so US SNES games use on-board co-processors, and most of the "best" games didn't.

[3GenGames]

And why do you want to include external non-cart hardware as a rival to it? Thats totally different then on-board hardware. Plus, the better the hardware on cart was, showed how much you gave the system as being expanded from the cart and how much more planned out the system was IMO.

[Original_Name]

Blargh. I was just going off of what other people said on like, page 3 or something. I wasn't trying to say that a Sega CD and a Super FX Chip are the same general thing, that would have been just plain stupid of me -- the thing is that what is meant by "Genesis" is a bit blurry since there's a whole "Genesis Family". Personally, I think that the add-ons are permissible to include in the discussion since they're so integral to the culture, I guess you'd say, of the Genesis. The general idea, as brought up by people other than myself, was that in a discussion concerning the consoles as a whole, external hardware is external hardware whether it's in a chip or an attachment, y'know? But if you guys disagree it's totally cool -- I wasn't trying to pull a fast one on you guys!

[3GenGames]

But external hardware on the cart and on the external hardware are 100% different. NES expansion can do stuff even on-cart stuff can in no way do at all, ever, nomatter how much you use.


And also, yeah, SuperFX chip is the 3d graphics chip inside some game carts that use a psuedo 3D environment inside them and output it. It's okay for it's time, but man....20FPS and less really hurts. XD


And is new stuff aloud? If we were comparing NES to SMS with just RetroUSB add-ons would destroy! let alone game genie and such

[Limewater]

But external hardware on the cart and on the external hardware are 100% different. NES expansion can do stuff even on-cart stuff can in no way do at all, ever, nomatter how much you use.

The SNES vs. Genesis debate is serious business!!!

[MrPopo]

But external hardware on the cart and on the external hardware are 100% different. NES expansion can do stuff even on-cart stuff can in no way do at all, ever, nomatter how much you use.

The SNES vs. Genesis debate is serious business!!!

It was our generation's Nam.

[Original_Name]

But external hardware on the cart and on the external hardware are 100% different. NES expansion can do stuff even on-cart stuff can in no way do at all, ever, nomatter how much you use.

The SNES vs. Genesis debate is serious business!!!

It was our generation's Nam.

And there are still debates over who won it, even sales-wise.

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