New fully packaged never before release Genesis/MD games

Post by **selfdestroyer** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 5:17 am

And with that I agree 100%.. you can get yourself so saturated with games that you will never play "seriously" or even give a chance.. It reminds me when I was younger and my father and I bought a 2600. We dident have much money and could only get 1 game a month.. We played the hell out of that game and learned it backwards and forward.. these days we can go to blockbuster and rent a game and either kill it in 2 days and hate it because there are 10 other games came out this month that "might be better.

Thats alot to say .. I agree.. sorry.

Post by **GSZX1337** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:40 pm

lordofduct wrote:
GSZX1337 wrote:
devilmyarse wrote: with a proper controller.
I never understood that argument against emulation. People seem to forget that there are controller adapters for PCs and consoles.
My PC isn't set up in the living room or by my bed or couch where I get to sit back and relax while I play a game.

You can setup a PC in the living room and hook it up to your TV so you can sit back on your couch. That's what I'm saving up for.

Post by **racketboy** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:48 pm

GSZX1337 wrote:
lordofduct wrote:
GSZX1337 wrote: I never understood that argument against emulation. People seem to forget that there are controller adapters for PCs and consoles.
My PC isn't set up in the living room or by my bed or couch where I get to sit back and relax while I play a game.
You can setup a PC in the living room and hook it up to your TV so you can sit back on your couch. That's what I'm saving up for.

That's what I do -- put Windows Media Center and Maximus Arcade on it and you have a complete system. It isn't without its occasional bugs, but it's quite nice.
http://www.racketboy.com/retro/2007/04/ ... ition.html

Post by **Scooter** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 2:58 pm

lordofduct wrote:He's already close to illegal by selling these products... as he states on the webpage " You are only paying for the materials and work to create each cartridge, not the ROM image itself which are easily found on the internet."

This is probably his little disclaimer that he isn't trying to bootleg these titles. By doing this with commercially released titles, he is then breaching even more laws that could get him in far worse trouble!

How can it be called bootlegging when he isn't offering anything that was ever offered commercially? The games he is offering are games which were complete or near complete yet never offered commercially. Now, if he were making any profit off the program itself he could run into trouble, but the way he's packaged his offering he is not doing so (or at least is stating that he is not doing so). It does make some sense that the cost of materials and time to provide a real cart, in a real box with real cover art and a real instruction book produced in small volumes could easily equal the prices he is charging.

Personally, I've never used an emulator and probably never will. I don't even play PC games on my computer, my gaming is purely console driven. I am also an avid collector. The opportunity to buy some previously unreleased games in complete boxed form is very compelling for me and apparently quite a few others. I'm not so sure I'd be interested in the hacked ROM games, but I do have to admit Sonic Megamix does catch my eye.

Post by **Niode** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:21 pm

I just don't see the point. I really don't. It's like, I could download some songs off of the internet that have never been released by an artist before, get them burned to disk, print a mocked up label onto the disk, make an insert and back covers. No matter how good a quality CD I come out with, I still know that it's not an official product and has no inherent value. It's just a bootleg.

Post by **lordofduct** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 6:44 pm

Scooter wrote:
lordofduct wrote:He's already close to illegal by selling these products... as he states on the webpage " You are only paying for the materials and work to create each cartridge, not the ROM image itself which are easily found on the internet."

This is probably his little disclaimer that he isn't trying to bootleg these titles. By doing this with commercially released titles, he is then breaching even more laws that could get him in far worse trouble!
How can it be called bootlegging when he isn't offering anything that was ever offered commercially? The games he is offering are games which were complete or near complete yet never offered commercially. Now, if he were making any profit off the program itself he could run into trouble, but the way he's packaged his offering he is not doing so (or at least is stating that he is not doing so). It does make some sense that the cost of materials and time to provide a real cart, in a real box with real cover art and a real instruction book produced in small volumes could easily equal the prices he is charging.

He may be only charging for the cost of materials and labor,which is exactly what I quoted from him, and say it is borderline bootlegging. The thing is, IT IS BOOTLEGGING, he received no authorization or permission to release Beta titles on cartridges at a cost... no matter what that cost may be.

Due to the oddity of the scenario, as the titles were never released, it is an older console no one really would pay attention to, I then said it is "close to bootlegging"... because he probably won't have anyone saying shit about it, and can do anything. It is just unreleased beta's and a bunch of hack roms.

"By doing this with commercially released titles, he is then breaching even more laws that could get him in far worse trouble!"
This here, this is where I say it is more illegal, because I'm talking about legite games that were commercially released. These here have a bigger chance of you getting in trouble, because publishers actually spent tons of money to print real versions of the game and release them on the market. And they have the right to sue, it's called intellectual property rights! And intellectual property rights cover Beta/unreleased intellectual properties as well!

Oh and there is a small issue in his pricing... part of the cost is his work to put them together... that there is a profit by definition. Profit is all monetary amount after paying all overheard... his labor has no overhead and said money can be considered his profit.

Post by **GagaMan** » Thu Jan 10, 2008 7:52 pm

I'm pretty sure Jelly Boy did come out. I remember the advertising for it and reviews in magazines. There was a cancelled sequel, though.

Either that or I'm getting my wires crossed here. Was Jelly boy one of those very last minute cancellations like Propella Artena?

Post by **Curlypaul** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 8:46 am

Agreed this is definately illegal although I doubt the owners of the code will take too much notice as they cant make a penny out of it themselves - if they could make money out of the games and they thought he would be making a dent in their account they would be onto him for sure.

I can see the actraction in these carts though, you get to play them on a real machine and you get something that is fairly unique to add to your collection.

Post by **GagaMan** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 11:00 am

Also, Sonic Eraser was available on a Japanese Sega download service using the ill-fated modem device:
http://sonic-cult.org/dispart.php?catid ... =1&artid=1
So technically it was released by Sega, if only online..

Post by **The Apprentice** » Fri Jan 11, 2008 4:08 pm

This is illegal thanks to the fact that Sonic is an intellectual property of Sega. You can't sell Sonic without Sega's permission, no matter what the format. This idea has no point. Why would I want to own an illigal, fake looking game to play on a system when I can get it legally on the internet and play it on my computer. Buying these cartridges would ruin the experience of actually playing the game.