devilmyarse wrote:Haha! I like it!Mozgus wrote:Well I just printed the list and showed it to a girl I know, but she insisted it was rubbish and that I'm nothing like that. Which actually means the list is 100% true probably.
I'm 95% the nice guy. I've never had trouble with girls though so hmmm?
4chan enlightened me today.
There's things on each side that I firmly believe the majority of women will dislike (or at least, a woman that would like certain things of the "REAL MAN" side is not someone that I'd want to be friends with). There are certainly things on the "REAL MAN" that I believe that girls will like, but in all honesty I feel like they would belong in the "Nice Guy" list (like "Loyal"). The "REAL MAN" side in fact is somewhat of a strange mish mash, whereas the "Nice guy" is falsely labeled by many counts (a bunch of the "description" there refers to people with borderline mental problems...) and these 2 "sides" are far from being polar opposites (man, I'm running out of quotation marks here).Mozgus wrote:Teach me.
I don't know why you are skeptic when the girl you showed it to said it was BS (it looks like BS to me, but I'm far from an expert) - if you have reasons to believe she is lying, then why did you seek her opinion in the first place?
There is a certain point when you may want to consider what sort of girls you are trying to like. Perhaps the problem lies in them and not in you, and you just need to find a "Nice girl" which WILL appreciate a "nice guy" instead of some "bad girl" (that instead of going to heaven, goes everywhere - perhaps in more than one way) that may very well dislike the "nice guys" and only like the jocks / macho men / "real men" or whatever they want to call it. It is true that many girls that have (what the majority of men consider to be) attractive bodies are messed up (perhaps it is because of all the attention (or whatever))... But inner beauty is what really counts, and it is certainly true that not all attractive girls are "bad".
Ivo.
If you knew the way we got along over the past decade, you'd understand my urge to show her the list. She's basically a model, and she knows how much it annoys me when she flaunts it when there's no call for it. I figured her being both female and what most consider in the upper league, it would allow for an interesting opinion. But it didn't. She just always goes for the Real Man type, but of course she denies it. She's also always miserable about it.Ivo wrote:I don't know why you are skeptic when the girl you showed it to said it was BS (it looks like BS to me, but I'm far from an expert) - if you have reasons to believe she is lying, then why did you seek her opinion in the first place?
Yeah well you get to the point where you couldn't get along with a single girl over all these years since like 8th grade, and you stop blaming them and start blaming yourself. The stats begin piling up against you.There is a certain point when you may want to consider what sort of girls you are trying to like. Perhaps the problem lies in them and not in you, and you just need to find a "Nice girl" which WILL appreciate a "nice guy" instead of some "bad girl" (that instead of going to heaven, goes everywhere - perhaps in more than one way) that may very well dislike the "nice guys" and only like the jocks / macho men / "real men" or whatever they want to call it. It is true that many girls that have (what the majority of men consider to be) attractive bodies are messed up (perhaps it is because of all the attention (or whatever))... But inner beauty is what really counts, and it is certainly true that not all attractive girls are "bad".
After so many failed attempts in my life, I'm thinking the biggest issue has always been that I've never even met a girl that has any real similar interests with me. I'm saying there's no geek girls in Kansas. Interests are extremely important, especially when you're like many of us who have no real crazy stories to tell that are universally entertaining. Girls don't wanna hear about your wicked Ganondorf Smash Bros skills. And without that, I got nothin'. For example, a girl might start jabbering on and on about Johnny Depp, Vin Deisel, Oprah, this week's pop artist, female celebrity embarrassments, whatever, and I become clearly annoyed and will usually just say "Ok this is boring". That's where my brutal honesty comes in. A horndog would just go along with it though, pretending to be someone they are not; anything to get in those pants. But if I don't care what you have to say, I'm not going to be interested in you physically.
And it's certainly not about looks. Or sex. If I wanted sex, there's a lot of trash in this state that rarely rejects anyone. I really get annoyed when people tell me that I'd be more successful if I just scored some cheap lays first. I don't think I can sink that low.
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I wouldn't consider that the "Nice Guy" list... that's the list that describes guys who call themselves "the nice guy". Those people exist, and I'd rather call them... young, stubborn, annoyed and with a lack of self-confidence.
Not a nice guy... well... I guess girls do say, "oh Bob... he's... ermmm... nice."
Second part, I tend to agree with. Not that those actions guarantee long lasting deserving relationships. I also don't consider it a "real man". That's just a confident person who doesn't take shit and is independent. You know... doesn't need the approval of anyone, let alone a women to feel good about himself. I'd consider myself part of that list if I were to categorize myself in one of those two. But I mean come on, there isn't just 2 kinds of guys out there. Where is the balance?
I will say though, list two will get you plenty of one night stands, with out the need to buy the stupid slut a drink! But if you stick to that list you'll never build a lasting relationship... From my personal experience women want independence, along with you being independent... but they CERTAINLY want some type of strong commitment, bond, attention, and huggies/kissies.
Hence why my relationships end after 2 months (or less... last girl lasted a week... sorry, my morales take presidence over your desire to have raw sex).
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personally I think the "lasting relationship" is based on that myth called "love". You know... I like the way the movie "Meet Joe Black" described love.
"Love is when you know the other persons deepest and darkest secrets... and you're ok with that."
OR I like that satirical old one liner...
"You can't love the person, until you love the smell of their farts!"
Not a nice guy... well... I guess girls do say, "oh Bob... he's... ermmm... nice."
Second part, I tend to agree with. Not that those actions guarantee long lasting deserving relationships. I also don't consider it a "real man". That's just a confident person who doesn't take shit and is independent. You know... doesn't need the approval of anyone, let alone a women to feel good about himself. I'd consider myself part of that list if I were to categorize myself in one of those two. But I mean come on, there isn't just 2 kinds of guys out there. Where is the balance?
I will say though, list two will get you plenty of one night stands, with out the need to buy the stupid slut a drink! But if you stick to that list you'll never build a lasting relationship... From my personal experience women want independence, along with you being independent... but they CERTAINLY want some type of strong commitment, bond, attention, and huggies/kissies.
Hence why my relationships end after 2 months (or less... last girl lasted a week... sorry, my morales take presidence over your desire to have raw sex).
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personally I think the "lasting relationship" is based on that myth called "love". You know... I like the way the movie "Meet Joe Black" described love.
"Love is when you know the other persons deepest and darkest secrets... and you're ok with that."
OR I like that satirical old one liner...
"You can't love the person, until you love the smell of their farts!"
The day I can come to terms with the fact that my hot girl friend takes nasty smelly dumps is the day I decide to settle down and have kids. Until then, I just like to think that something happened to the plumbing, and my nasty smelly dumps got backed up or something... I refuse to admit that girls can poop.
That day is coming, but I'm just not there yet......
That day is coming, but I'm just not there yet......
Would you like me to find you some proof online?Adderall wrote:The day I can come to terms with the fact that my hot girl friend takes nasty smelly dumps is the day I decide to settle down and have kids. Until then, I just like to think that something happened to the plumbing, and my nasty smelly dumps got backed up or something... I refuse to admit that girls can poop.
That day is coming, but I'm just not there yet......
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Oh GOD NO!Mozgus wrote:Would you like me to find you some proof online?Adderall wrote:The day I can come to terms with the fact that my hot girl friend takes nasty smelly dumps is the day I decide to settle down and have kids. Until then, I just like to think that something happened to the plumbing, and my nasty smelly dumps got backed up or something... I refuse to admit that girls can poop.
That day is coming, but I'm just not there yet......
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I will tell you about being a real man.
Bruce Dickinson is manly. He flies airplanes, was a professional fencer, and sings about manly things like Alexander the Great, Coleridge poems, Dune, the Battle of Britain, the Charge of the Light Brigade, killing Indians, Clint Eastwood movies, the Book of Five Rings, sword fighting, and the Cold War. He's not part of some damn boy band, he has awesome hair and is glad if you don't like it. Be like Bruce Dickinson.
The Trooper
Run to the Hills
The Flight of Icarus
An incidental and totally true story. When I was in college I, along with one of my roommates, took an intro to music theory class. Every so often students were asked to bring in music for class that we would analyze. Between us we brought in Stryper, Wagner, and Blue Oyster Cult. One day I brought in Iron Maiden's the Trooper. I had forgotten that the first lines were "You take my life, but I'll take his too, you fire your musket, but I'll run you through." Needless to say, after enduring so much of the crap that passes for modern music, everyone was impressed and amazed by the power of my choice and that I would be willing to stand up for it in class.
Bowling makes you manly. Tonight I went bowling with some people from my church. Our discussion on the way back was about Chuck Norris and Arnold Schwarzenegger. It was great.
Living in a harsh climate makes you manly. Conan the Barbarian was so strong because he came from the frozen northern land of Cimmeria. I live in Maine, where it's cold and there's a lot of snow. Many die but the stronger people survive and our lives are better for it. People don't get divorced in Maine, they just die.
I'm sure there are other examples, but these are a good start. Being manly is related to manly attributes and activities and surely not the opinions of women.
Bruce Dickinson is manly. He flies airplanes, was a professional fencer, and sings about manly things like Alexander the Great, Coleridge poems, Dune, the Battle of Britain, the Charge of the Light Brigade, killing Indians, Clint Eastwood movies, the Book of Five Rings, sword fighting, and the Cold War. He's not part of some damn boy band, he has awesome hair and is glad if you don't like it. Be like Bruce Dickinson.
The Trooper
Run to the Hills
The Flight of Icarus
An incidental and totally true story. When I was in college I, along with one of my roommates, took an intro to music theory class. Every so often students were asked to bring in music for class that we would analyze. Between us we brought in Stryper, Wagner, and Blue Oyster Cult. One day I brought in Iron Maiden's the Trooper. I had forgotten that the first lines were "You take my life, but I'll take his too, you fire your musket, but I'll run you through." Needless to say, after enduring so much of the crap that passes for modern music, everyone was impressed and amazed by the power of my choice and that I would be willing to stand up for it in class.
Bowling makes you manly. Tonight I went bowling with some people from my church. Our discussion on the way back was about Chuck Norris and Arnold Schwarzenegger. It was great.
Living in a harsh climate makes you manly. Conan the Barbarian was so strong because he came from the frozen northern land of Cimmeria. I live in Maine, where it's cold and there's a lot of snow. Many die but the stronger people survive and our lives are better for it. People don't get divorced in Maine, they just die.
I'm sure there are other examples, but these are a good start. Being manly is related to manly attributes and activities and surely not the opinions of women.
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This made me laugh hard...philipofmacedon wrote:People don't get divorced in Maine, they just die.
From New England myself (don't live there anymore)... a good deal of it spent in Maine... other time in northern Connecticut and parts of Massachusetts.
OH YEY! And I get to go back up there for skiing next month!