....snes mudded-up audio?renardqueenston wrote:i love games on both systems, but the genesis has a great selection of shooters that i absolutely love. i also greatly prefer the genesis' sound hardware, it sounds so wonderful! i'll take it over the SNES' mudded-up sample-based audio any time :]
I hope you're trollingPlay Thunder Force III on the Genesis, and then Thunder Spirits on the SNES. He isn't trolling. The SNES sound chip was great for a lot of things (symphonic sound, samples like voice, etc.), but it does not do everything the one of the Genesis does. Compare on games made for both systems for yourself. The ones that take advantage of the Genesis' sound chip really do sound better, while the SNES one is washed out. That is NOT to say that the Genesis has better sound than the SNES. In fact, the SNES does indeed sound better overall. Stuff like Actraiser (he also did Streets of Rage!), Final Fantasy III and Chrono Trigger produce music that the Genesis cannot touch. I'm just saying that there are certain types of sounds the Genesis actually trumps the SNES.dischord76 wrote:....snes mudded-up audio (I'd say muffled)?renardqueenston wrote:i love games on both systems, but the genesis has a great selection of shooters that i absolutely love. i also greatly prefer the genesis' sound hardware, it sounds so wonderful! i'll take it over the SNES' mudded-up sample-based audio any time :]
absolutely not! the SNES uses sample-based music, which is interpolated when played at different frequencies. if it's a sample recorded at a high note and played low, it sounds very muffled and washed-over (unfortunately, Super Metroid is a good example of this). the Genesis, while it has DPCM sample support, handles it via a "no resampling" method, meaning it stays crunchy and crisp, and since the rest of it is FM synthesis + PSG, it's generated in real time, so it's crystal clear.dischord76 wrote:....snes mudded-up audio?renardqueenston wrote:i love games on both systems, but the genesis has a great selection of shooters that i absolutely love. i also greatly prefer the genesis' sound hardware, it sounds so wonderful! i'll take it over the SNES' mudded-up sample-based audio any time :]
both sound really trashy in my opinion :] - the 32x has farty FM instruments, and the SNES is reverb city. PC version with adLib is where it's at! like you mentioned though, a whole other issue - the issue of incompetent devs ;]dischord76 wrote:interesting points/posts. I learn new things all the time. I think the most hilarious comparison for music is doom 32x vs. doom snes. But that's a whole other issue.
That's better than I'd said it.renardqueenston wrote: absolutely not! the SNES uses sample-based music, which is interpolated when played at different frequencies. if it's a sample recorded at a high note and played low, it sounds very muffled and washed-over (unfortunately, Super Metroid is a good example of this). the Genesis, while it has DPCM sample support, handles it via a "no resampling" method, meaning it stays crunchy and crisp, and since the rest of it is FM synthesis + PSG, it's generated in real time, so it's crystal clear.
the SNES' sound chip would have fared a lot better, as far as i'm concerned, if it didn't filter samples so ridiculously heavily. when it comes to orchestrated stuff, the SNES obviously had more prowess since sampled strings could be used, but when it comes to synthesized music, whether it be dance music, rock music, and other heavier stuff, the Genesis really had a bright sound, and had the ability to be much "harsher" if it needed to, as well.
I did use Street Fighter II for an example and told you who I thought won (aside from voice samples!). In fact, I used three examples other than Thunder Spirits.flamepanther wrote:How about Super Street Fighter II? Tell us who wins there.
Agreed. I just feel the need to correct comments like "the SNES clearly has superior sound over the Genesis/MD", when that statement is not accurate.Really, it's a matter of personal preference more than a "problem" with either sound system. It reminds me of the jagged, blocky unfiltered textures of the PSX versus the blurry, muddy textures of the N64. They're both ugly to somebody. Do I want twangy, tinny FM synth, or muffled, filtered wavetable? If we have to pick a winner though, it's got to be whichever bothers fewer people, or which bothers people less frequently. In that case, I think the SNES is pretty clearly the popular choice.
Note the word "Super" where you've quoted me. The one where both console versions had to try to copy the redone, enhanced, CPS2 wavetable soundtrack rather than the old CPS1 FM soundtrack.Breetai wrote:I did use Street Fighter II for an example and told you who I thought won (aside from voice samples!).flamepanther wrote:How about Super Street Fighter II? Tell us who wins there.