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AppleQueso wrote:You know good and well that when someone says "the south" they don't mean "every single individual from the south".

I'm from Texas for crying out loud and I take no offense to any of those sorts of comments.
No, as a matter of fact I don't know that they don't mean every single individual from the South. And regardless of whether they do, it feels as if they're trying to undercut any progress the South might have made in any of these areas by sticking to the stereotypes they've chosen to perpetuate.

And while we're at it, Texas isn't the South, it's Texas. It's practically its own country.
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Don't you think that maybe you are simply taking their arguments a bit too literally and personally?
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Ack wrote:
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Ack wrote:Now if you all could just get over all the South bashing, maybe we'd be getting somewhere.
Truth is, I've never seen more racism than in the South. It deserves the bash. That in mind, I can only compare it to the Midwest.
Yeah, but you folks make it seem like I'm out cross burning when I'm not playing video games. I mean, from some of the stuff I've seen on here, I'm apparently some cheap beer-swilling Nascar-fanatic Klansman with a third grade education and three teeth balls deep in my sister.

Yes, I've seen racism in the South. I've seen white on black, black on white, white on asian, asian on white, asian on black, black on asian, latino on white, latino on black, black on latino, white on latino, latino on asian, asian on latino, so on and so forth. I've also seen the horror and the aftermath of racism, where people come together and rally against it. Growing up in a state that was torn apart from racial strife 40 years ago, I've also seen the positive and negative response to it. I've walked down the same streets where years before people were getting beaten just for wanting to drink from the same water fountain, stood in churches once blown apart by bombs over the color of the congregation, and walked throw the doorway a governor once stood in to stop black students from attending.

Apparently all of this has left some sort of black mark on my soul, where I and all the people from where I come from must be criticized and ridiculed solely because I happen to have grown up in an area still plagued by the repercussions of years of instituted racism.

I was born in North Carolina, raised in Alabama, and take great pride in where I'm from. I understand the problems my home faces, and for long periods of time I have wanted nothing more than to run away from it and never look back. I've seen firsthand the hypocrisy of the churches you all seem to love to insult so much, and I've also seen the love and charity of these organizations and how they come together to help those in the worst of times. As a matter of fact there will be a gathering of church congregations tomorrow to help provide food for those who are unable to work over the Gulf oil crisis, regardless of the color of their skin. You want to bash them and the region they're from, fine, but realize they're doing a whole hell of a lot more good than you are.

I also understand the struggles facing my state and the battles over how to solve them. My state's government lacks funding for nearly anything, our schools have no money, and our municipalities are struggling to take loans to make up for the lacking revenue. Along the coast businesses are dying out because for all the help BP says they're giving, they haven't helped large sections of places. The claim they haven't rejected a single claim is true, because instead they're holding many of them in limbo. Whole industries are dying out down here over this mess, and nobody knows what it's doing to our environment.

We've got problems and we know it. What we don't need is you all making snarky remarks from your high horses about what we're like and how terrible we all are down here. You want to talk about how terrible all this racism towards Arabs and all this anti-Muslim sentiment, and then some of you turn right around and insult me and my own for some of the same shit you were just self-righteously condemning.

And for the record, I hardly ever drink alcohol, I hate Nascar, I went to one of the best high schools in the US, I hold two degrees from respected universities, I have all my teeth, I've never even seen a Klan rally, and I don't have a sister, but I can God damn guarantee I wouldn't fuck her if I did.
Whoa. I never said a word about you.

edit* fucking tethering. Okay. I'll say this. I'm happy to live in NC, but not proud to live in a state that still honors the confederate fallen, and has thousands of people flying the confederate flag. There is no heritage not hate argument. That is the be stupidest cover up ever. I've said it before, it would be like me flying a nazi flag and telling people of jewish decent it's not hate, just heritage.

Again, without a doubt I believe Ack is a man of high standing moral character, but I call 'em as I see 'em, and racism is rampant in the south more than any other place I have lived.
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See, this is exactly what I mean. I know you feel you need to defend your home Ack but there's no reason to take those kinds of statements personally.
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I know, and I apologize to Luke for being the catalyst for that rant, but it's been something that's been building up for a while over comments I've seen on this site regarding the region I live in.
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Ack wrote:I know, and I apologize to Luke for being the catalyst for that rant, but it's been something that's been building up for a while over comments I've seen on this site regarding the region I live in.
No apologies needed man. I know you were just frustrated.

Trust me, as a guy with a "disability" *laughs* I am always prejudged. I know on an everyday basis what it is like for people to jump to conclusions on every aspect of my life. In all honesty, when people see a physical disability, they almost automatically assume a mental disability. Not kidding.

When I was doing stand up in DC, I noticed (which is hard as hell with a spot light on your face) that the crowd was 90% black. I started with (paraphrased) "African Americans always assume white people are always prejudiced which is fucked up. I'm always prejudged on a basketball court. You know who picks the one handed white guy for a game of 21?"

I assure you that joke is funny on stage with different words.
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Yahoo article has 36,000 comments and counting. Most of them are terrifying. The one rational comment I found sums up my feelings pretty well:
To my fellow conservatives: what is wrong with you? I don't want to see a post from any of you talking about how something is unamerican or unconstituional when you post this crap. Is it private property? Yes. Is it constitutional? Yes. So how can you not tolerate it? You might not like it, and that is fine, you might hate it, and that is fine, but you better support the legality of it. Supporting their right is different than supporting their intent. You want religious freedom, so long as it's convienent for you, but the minute it get's difficult, then all your talk about the founders, the constitution, freedom of speech, freedom of religion, the right to bear arms, all goes away. Your hypocrites, just like the Democrats who suddenly find themselves talking about freedom of religion while they try and take it away every chance they get. I'm truly disgusted with most people on both sides. Your just pushing your personal agendas and you don't have ANY core values you are willing to sacrifice for. I don't like the mosque, I don't think it should be built, but I support the right to build it. We support the right so that when we want to build our churches we have the right to do so. So if your a red or blue team fan, who just wants to impose YOUR religous and ideological beliefs on everyone else, go ahead and give me a thumbs down.
I think a study into why yahoo comments are so skewed would be worthwhile. There is no way they can possibly reflect the majority. There has to be some statistical reason why the ignorance is so rampant there.
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From Politico:
Key Republicans had leapt to criticize Obama over his comments Friday on the controversial plan, with House Republican leader John Boehner calling them “deeply troubling.”

And Democrats – at least the ones willing to comment at all — could barely contain their frustration over Obama’s remarks Friday night, saying they would further complicate campaign efforts by candidates struggling in an anti-Democratic year, particularly moderates in conservative-leaning districts who already are 2010’s most vulnerable contenders.

I would prefer the president be a little more of a politician and a little less of a college professor,” former Rep. Martin Frost (D-Tex.), who once ran the House Democratic campaign arm, wrote in POLITICO’s Arena. “While a defensible position, it will not play well in the parts of the country where Democrats need the most help.”
:evil: :evil: :evil: FUCK BOTH PARTIES! ESPECIALLY FUUUUCK THE DEMOCRATS.

Look, I'm a Democrat and a liberal and one of those god forsaken "college professors," so maybe that's why I was so glad that Obama said what he said yesterday. Truth is, I have been quite disenchanted with much of his presidency becasue he has lacked the courage of his convictions and it was nice to hear him actually take a stand on something controversial.

The fact that now he is backpedaling from that statement a little bit really gets me angry...but the fact that both parties are refusing to stand up for their fucking principles is the goddamn final straw. If either party gave a FUCK about the Constitution and the freedoms it makes CRYSTAL FUCKING CLEAR then they wouldn't be "barely containing their frustration" over how Obama's stance hurts their political positioning but shouting their approval about the right for Muslims to legally build a mosque wherever they damn well please even louder than the president has. What a fucking disgrace.

This shit makes me soooo angry.


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It really shows the true colors of the other side (and our current state as a country as a whole) when it's so controversial when the President comes out in support of the constitution. Remember, everyone has equal rights, so long as everyone only includes white christians who were born here.
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Luke wrote: Again, without a doubt I believe Ack is a man of high standing moral character, but I call 'em as I see 'em, and racism is rampant in the south more than any other place I have lived.
I'm sure I'll catch some heat for this, but it's a true story: I will say that I have friends who moved from the north to the south as young children. Prior to moving to Alabama from Pennsylvania, they had never seen black people.

I'm not going to try to excuse racism in the southeast, but I honestly believe that part of the reason it is more apparent here is because racial minorities make up a larger portion of the population. The skinheads from Maine don't have really have a lot of people in close proximity to hate. You see something similar in the middle east-- you have a number of distinct ethnic groups in a relatively small land space. They all hate each other.
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