Horror fans?

[Gamerforlife]

I just found Oldboy to be a very vindictive, sadistic story without any kind of satisfying ending. The movie was noted for a lot of its visual style and that one cool fight scene, and I like that stuff, but the way the story played out just pissed me off

All movies without happy endings suck.

Books too. F'in George Orwell.

Where is the word happy in what you quoted? I said satisfying.

[Luke]

Fright Night (so awesome...it is like John Hughes made a horror film)

It's being remade. Colin Farrell has been cast as Jerry Dandridge.

[AwesomeMonstar]

Since I don't think I saw it mentioned, clock tower for the snes was one of the hands down scariest games I have ever played. Definitely worth a try if you like a good adventure game too.

[Limewater]

I just found Oldboy to be a very vindictive, sadistic story without any kind of satisfying ending. The movie was noted for a lot of its visual style and that one cool fight scene, and I like that stuff, but the way the story played out just pissed me off

All movies without happy endings suck.

Books too. F'in George Orwell.

Where is the word happy in what you quoted? I said satisfying.

I don't think Oldboy was intended to be a "satisfying" revenge film. If you watch all three of Chan-Wook Park's revenge films, none of them are satisfying. A satisfying revenge film almost necessarily glorifies revenge. Park's goal was the opposite. He portrays vengeance as brutal and misguided, and by the end of each, his protagonists do horribly brutal things and ultimately are worse off for it, and not just in the token ways that they would have been if they were standard Hollywood revenge thrillers.

[dsheinem]

The Cell

*gasps*

I didn't say I was proud to own it. It's my wife's - she's a fan, for some reason.

[Luke]

The Cell

*gasps*

I didn't say I was proud to own it. It's my wife's - she's a fan, for some reason.

That's not grounds for a divorce but yikes!

But it's all good. My wife likes CLOSER. And I LOVE Natalie Portman, but dear God, the movie is two hours of couples arguing.

[Gamerforlife]

I don't think Oldboy was intended to be a "satisfying" revenge film. If you watch all three of Chan-Wook Park's revenge films, none of them are satisfying. A satisfying revenge film almost necessarily glorifies revenge. Park's goal was the opposite. He portrays vengeance as brutal and misguided, and by the end of each, his protagonists do horribly brutal things and ultimately are worse off for it, and not just in the token ways that they would have been if they were standard Hollywood revenge thrillers.

That's just it, everything Woo-jin does in the movie seems glorified to me. He's in control throughout the whole movie and gets his way all the way up until the very end of the film. He's such an awful human being and I didn't like the fact that Dae-su never manages to outdo him.

It's very subjective of course, but I viewed Woo-jin as the villain of the movie and even though Dae-su is clearly no saint, I felt that Woo-jin's actions against him were unjustified and were just the actions of someone who whould rather torment a scapegoat than accept responsibility for his role in his sister's suicide. A satisfying ending for me would involve one of two things:

1. Dae-su one ups him in the end
2. Woo-jin gets off that judgemental high horse of his and actually realizes what a prick he actually his

[jp1]

It's likely to be pointed out that it "isn't horror" as well but since I didn't see it mentioned Battle Royale is one awesome movie.

I don't get the hate for The Cell. I thought it was a good enough movie for a singular viewing. I wouldn't go back and re-watch it but I have certainly seen a lot worse. It is very stylistic which can be a good and bad thing. Totally agree about "Closer" though. What a piece of shit that movie was, it gives me a headache.

I forgot about Clock Tower that is a cool game too. I think I played the PS1 version though. Also I haven't played it in many years but I remember "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream" for the pc pretty fondly.

I'll add a few more movies..

Inside (Gory as hell but a little more substance than Hostel)
Ginger Snaps
High Tension (Original not dubbed)
Behind The Mask:The Rise of Leslie Vernon
TCM (Original scared the shit out of me as a kid.)
The Host (This could be nearly any genre but it is generally accepted as horror)
It
Frontiere(s)
Perfume (Not that scary but the premise is unique and the production values are high)
May

[vash23n]

It's likely to be pointed out that it "isn't horror" as well but since I didn't see it mentioned Battle Royale is one awesome movie.

I don't get the hate for The Cell. I thought it was a good enough movie for a singular viewing. I wouldn't go back and re-watch it but I have certainly seen a lot worse. It is very stylistic which can be a good and bad thing. Totally agree about "Closer" though. What a piece of shit that movie was, it gives me a headache.

I forgot about Clock Tower that is a cool game too. I think I played the PS1 version though. Also I haven't played it in many years but I remember "I Have No Mouth, and I Must Scream" for the pc pretty fondly.

I'll add a few more movies..

Inside (Gory as hell but a little more substance than Hostel)
Ginger Snaps
High Tension (Original not dubbed)
Behind The Mask:The Rise of Leslie Vernon
TCM (Original scared the shit out of me as a kid.)
The Host (This could be nearly any genre but it is generally accepted as horror)
It
Frontiere(s)
Perfume (Not that scary but the premise is unique and the production values are high)
May

I loved Battle Royale. I can only watch it on my laptop because of the region, but it is a great film! I also agree with all of your others although I have not seen Perfume or May.

[Ack]

Going on memory here as I haven't seen it in a while, but here's what I remember about Oldboy. It was a movie about a jackass who couldn't accept responsibility for his own actions and the consequences that came with them(his feelings for his sister), so instead he finds a scapegoat to torture and antaganize for the whole movie and calls it revenge. Now you'd think this asshole would get what's coming to him, but no. Right up to the very end of the movie he gets his way, after the main character who I was rooting for completely degrades himself at which point I have no respect for him at all. Then the asshole who has tormented him all this time decides he has nothing left to live for and shoots himself.

You missed a couple of things about the plot I feel should be pointed out, because it's influenced how you feel about a specific character.

Said "jackass" could accept responsibility for his actions: he had no trouble with his incestuous relationship with his sister. But the sister has trouble dealing with it, and during one of their encounters, the main character witnesses them in the act and tells. The sister, unable to handle the discovery, commits suicide. The jackass then wants revenge against the first character for catching them, which ultimately led to his sister's death, so he plans an elaborate revenge in which he torments the man and then arranges things so the man has an incestuous relationship with his daughter. Finally, he kills himself, depriving the other man of his retaliatory revenge.

Ultimately the film is about one man attempting to get revenge on another man who's currently getting revenge, cycling their spite for each other with each new event. And that's ultimately what the Revenge Trilogy is about: how little revenge accomplishes.

Though I would argue that Lady Vengeance has the most positive ending out of the three. And the most satisfying.

Anyway, back to horror.

Heck, I'll just post my list of currently owned survival horror titles since it looked like Ds did:

Saturn:

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PlayStation:

Silent Hill
Resident Evil: Director's Cut
Martian Gothic: Unification
Dino Crisis
Clock Tower
Clock Tower: The First Fear
Parasite Eve (hey, I consider it a survival horror)

Dreamcast:

Resident Evil 2
Resident Evil 3 Nemesis
Resident Evil: Code Veronica
Alone in the Dark: The New Nightmare
Illbleed
Dino Crisis
D2
Evil Dead: Hail to the King
Nanatsu no Hikan: Senritsu no Bishou

PlayStation 2

Silent Hill 2
Silent Hill 3
Silent Hill 4: The Room
Silent Hill 0rigins
Fatal Frame
Fatal Frame II
Obscure: The Aftermath
Run Like Hell
The Thing
Extermination
Cold Fear
Kuon
Clock Tower 3
Echo Night: Beyond
Haunting Ground
The X-Files
Siren

XBox 360:

Silent Hill V: Homecoming
Alone in the Dark
Condemned: Criminal Origins

PS3:

Resident Evil 5
Dead Space
Condemned 2

PC:

The Penumbra Trilogy

I've also got access to a few other titles, like Rule of Rose on PS2 and Eternal Darkness: Sanity's Requiem on Gamecube via my girlfriend's collection. And then there are the games that I don't quite consider survival horror, but I feel are worth mentioning because they contain a similar vibe. Titles like the Onimusha trilogy fall in there, or S.T.A.L.K.E.R., so here's a couple of those:

SNES:

Zombies Ate My Neighbors

PlayStation 2:

Onimusha: Warlords
Onimusha 2
Onimusha 3
Galerians: Ash
Raw Danger
Ghost Hunter

PSP:

The Silent Hill Experience

XBox 360:

Dead Rising

PC:

S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Shadow of Chernobyl
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Clear Sky
S.T.A.L.K.E.R.: Call of Pripyat
Still Life
Scratches

So, uh...yeah. I've got quite a few horror games, and I'm always looking for more.