What "Great" game did you end up hating?

[Gamerforlife]

I heard a lot of bullshit about how this game pushes the gaming medium forward.

I had fun with it. It certainly isn't the be all end all that some review sites called it, but I had fun.

I think it's the best game this generation. No, it isn't especially groundbreaking or innovative (did reviews actually claim it moved gaming forward or it that a straw man argument? I'd like to see evidence that reviewers actually argued this...) - it is refined. It has the best third person shooting, platforming, and level design of any action game this generation (and that is a lot of competition!). It is also arguably the best looking game this generation. Those points, along with a better-than-average story for games, are the reasons it got the accolades it did.

If I sound a little ranty, don't take it personally. Just expressing my opinion

Here's just one link, but I've seen many sources claim that the game pushes the medium forward

http://gamerant.com/uncharted-2-evan-we ... rung-5568/

Show me one gunfight in Uncharted 2 that you can get through without getting shot and then tell me it's refined. This sort of thing doesn't work in Hollywood movies. Unless you're a superhero or cyborg, bullets seriously hurt or kill you. You ever read a really bad review for a crappy movie that is heavy on action and special effects? Reviewers will often say that the movie's action is so unrealistic that it feels more like a video game than a movie. Uncharted 2 and 90% of the games in the shooter genre are exactly what they are talking about. Now explaim to me how Uncharted 2 is moving gaming forward or is even remotely next gen. Uncharted 2 is STATUS QUO

I personally wouldn't even put Uncharted 2 in the same league as the best of this generation. It does nothing that hasn't been done before. It's platforming is not better than Prince of Persia or Tomb Raider, its stealth sections don't do anything that I haven't seen before and the gunfights are standard issue fair. Just off the top of my head I'd rate Mass Effect 2 as a more important game this gen. Nice thing about sci fi games is that my complaints about lack of realism become a moot point. Characters in those games have armor and shielding. They can REALISTICALLY absorb some gunfire. If Uncharted 2 was a real movie, Nathan would have been dead within the first half hour. Of course in movies, bad guys have horrible aim. Why can't shooters AT LEAST do that? Easier to suspend my belief over bad aim than my protaganist taking shots like he's the Terminator.

[dsheinem]

Here's just one link, but I've seen many sources claim that the game pushes the medium forward

http://gamerant.com/uncharted-2-evan-we ... rung-5568/

Thanks. I would disagree that it moves the medium forward in terms of gameplay. It sets a high bar for graphics and story (in the genre), but not for all of gaming. So I agree with you there.

Show me one gunfight in Uncharted 2 that you can get through without getting shot and then tell me it's refined.

It's refined for the genre. When we're talking about third person shooters, its gunplay is more "refined" - its physics, aiming, its weapon system, etc. - compared to other contenders in the genre. I feel that its platforming is better than PoP (and more "realistic") and I haven't played a Tomb raider game I enjoyed in ages. As for "OMG I got hit but didn't die" we're talking about something that is true of 90% of video games. One hit kills are fine in some genres (e.g. shmups, platformers, etc.), but they would make a game like this horrible and frustrating. In my mind, realism in battle is not what is needed to make a game stand out. That said, some of the gunfights are still a lot of fun because you can die if you are over/under aggressive. Obviously we disagree on this point.

Now explaim to me how Uncharted 2 is moving gaming forward or is even remotely next gen. Uncharted 2 is STATUS QUO

We probably have different definitions of "next gen" (which is a stupid term - it is CURRENT gen). But, as stated above, I agree it isn't "moving gaming forward."

I personally wouldn't even put Uncharted 2 in the same league as the best of this generation. It does nothing that hasn't been done before. It's platforming is not better than Prince of Persia or Tomb Raider, its stealth sections don't do anything that I haven't seen before and the gunfights are standard issue fair. Just off the top of my head I'd rate Mass Effect 2 as a more important game this gen.

Considering you haven't played through the game (you suggested you were struggling to play it) and I haven't yet played ME2, it's hard to debate this with you. I just know that I play a lot of action/shooting games, and Uncharted 2 is clearly head and shoulders above the competition this generation. Sorry if you disagree, but critics and most anyone else I've talked to who plays the genre support this claim. Sure, like most any stand-out game some of the accolades it receives are hyperbolic, but to say that it isn't among the best this gen is clearly a minority opinion based on some very specific criteria that aren't generally shared by most gamers.

[Pulsar_t]

The Getaway implemented 'primitive' damage simulation I don't know why they haven't built on that without making it too realistic.

[BakaTanuki]

I didn't read through to see if anyone else mentioned it, but I sure had trouble getting Kingdom Hearts. I went through years of hearing how amazing it was, and when I finally got a PS2 I loathed the game.

Boring, simplistic gameplay with nonsensical level design and story- wrapped in a shiny graphics that would appeal to ADD 12 year olds. The only cool part is that Donald and Goofy are in it.

That is perhaps an overstatement, but that isn't too far from how I felt while playing.

[Pulsar_t]

I agree. I played the DS game and it bore me to tears. I just don't get people sometimes

[MrPopo]

I'm also in the category of "why is this so highly regarded", though I can't say I hate the game. I plan to finish the first one, but I doubt I'll pick up any of the sequels.

[Lord_Santa]

Fallout 3

as a matter of fact, I have a multi-page rant about why I find it so crappy

mind you, I spent about 1,000 hours with it, before deciding it doesn't deserve to exist

(yes, I know... if you spent 1,000 hours playing a game, you must've like it somehow?)

no.
I modded the living daylights out of it and played and re-played the story

and that's how I came up with the verdict.

[yomomma1]

If you spend 1000 hours playing a game you hate. You are lying about one or the other.

[MrPopo]

To put that figure in perspective, when I was playing WoW in college I racked up 100+ days of playtime. That's 2400 hours.

[Iah]

007 Goldeneye on N64 - Ugly grey levels with labyrinthic design and not very clear objectives

Mario Sunshine - Just didn't like the gameplay and atmoshpere

Super Metroid - Too much time spent running left and right.