Sequel Tragedies...

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dsheinem wrote:
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You're entitled to your opinion though and im sure you have your reasons to say these things (I hope you do!).
I said above I wouldn't rehash all my reasoning here as I defended my claim in that other thread. But...for those who want one stop shopping, here are some of the rationale I gave:

The rest of the post above:
The spin-offs (Spinball, Sonic Riders, etc.) have been of more irregular quality - meaning they haven't necessarily gotten worse as time progressed.

As for the portable games, they are all over the place - I think the GBA games are better than the Game Gear games, but the PSP games are kinda poor...

In any case, Sega just needs to put out something like this: http://www.racketboy.com/retro/sega/200 ... in-hd.html in which Sonic is alone (no friends), does not talk, and is completely, entirely in 2D. Make it a $10-20 download and then all could be forgiven.
Hmm - maybe Sega listened? It seems like they are moving at least somewhat in this direction with Sonic 4. We'll see...

Anyway...after that people thought I wasn't being serious. I was. They called my opinion irrelevant or wrong (just like Hatta above!) :roll:

It played out like this:

Why does everyone think I am joking? Yes I've played Sonic CD and most every other 2d/3d Sonic games.

Reasons why Sonic 1 is the best in the series:

1) It was a novel concept, featured a unique and interesting character, and was able to demonstrate the potential of the console (a harbinger of great Genesis games to come). It gets big points for originality.
2) It has the best level design of the series. This is not debatable.
3) It did not feature gamepaly gimmicks (spin-dash, grabbing, climbing, etc.).
4) It did not include Tails, Knuckles, or any other cutesy B.S. (a side argument can be made that the more characters a Sonic game adds the worse it gets). Sonic rescued cute creatures, but he was assuredly not the pussified mascot he'd later become.
5) It has trippy-ass M.C. Escher special stages that have not yet been topped in the whole of the series.

I could go on, but I digress...

LOL at "irrelevant opinion." I will counter that mine is clearly the only "correct opinion" on the entire matter.
And then when people got all defensive about their favorite Sonic game...
I do get a kick out of how defensive people get about video games and, even moreso, their own righteous personal opinions about them. Thus the comment about mine being "correct." I guess if you don't write " /sarcasm " after a post some people don't catch on...

That said, I did enjoy the other 2D sonic game - just not as much as the first one (for the reasons I stated).
Anyway, hopefully this explains where I am coming from on the Sonic series. I do indeed think the games have gotten progressively worse, although the first four are all pretty good. I'd be happy to debate this further, now that my cards are on this particular table.
Now I understand I think some of your points are arguable especially the one on other characters. You put up a good arguement though what about super sonic though ? I dont think sonic would be the same without his super form? or the 7th chaos emerald ?
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The recent Prince of Persia's? The one back in 08 was okay, but gameplay was too dumbed down, even though the animations still looked amazing. The thing this game got right in my opinion are character designs, especially the new Prince.

Forgotten Sands was more solid in terms of platforming, but combat in the SoT trilogy was way better, and for some reason, they decided to make the Prince look like a caveman instead of using his SoT face.
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The Sonic games have gotten progressively worse from Sonic 1 --> most recent Sonic games. Seriously, every entry has been a little poorer than the last - to the point where the series is now horrendous. That means:

1. Sonic the Hedgehog - 1991 - Good
2. Sonic 2 - 1992 - Better
3. Sonic CD - 1993 - Best
4. Sonic 3 - 1994 - Worse
5. Sonic & Knuckles - 1994 - Better
6. Sonic 3D - 1997 - WORSER
7. Sonic Adventure - 1998 - Better
8. Sonic Adventure 2 - 2001 - Better
9. Sonic Heroes - 2003 - MORE WORSERER THAN EVEN THOSE
10. Shadow the Hedgehog - 2005 - STILL WORSERER YET
11. Sonic the Hedgehog - 2006 - WORSERERER
12. Sonic and the Secret Rings - 2007 - WORSTEST
13. Sonic Unleashed - 2008 - WORSTESEST
14.? Sonic and the Black Knight - 2009 - BY FAR THE WORST SONIC EVER?
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God of War 2 felt like the story was strung together too loosely, otherwise, its okay. I still prefer the first.
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Don't know how many other people played it, but I liked Drakengard a lot. The story, the atmosphere, the setting, the characters, the detail in all of the fictional elements was amazing. The gameplay I admit was mediocre but the rest of it was interesting enough to make me thoroughly enjoy the game. The second improved the gameplay a bit more, but they completely ruined everything else that made me like the first game.
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Veno wrote:The recent Prince of Persia's? The one back in 08 was okay, but gameplay was too dumbed down, even though the animations still looked amazing. The thing this game got right in my opinion are character designs, especially the new Prince.

Forgotten Sands was more solid in terms of platforming, but combat in the SoT trilogy was way better, and for some reason, they decided to make the Prince look like a caveman instead of using his SoT face.
Of course the first one came out in 1990.
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Shenmue 2 not being released on the U.S. Dreamcast. But getting the DC Pal with subtitles actually proved better. Analogy of watching Das Boot in native language, so much better. Sequel tragedy of not seeing part 3 released.
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I've said this before, but Mega Man X5. God I hate that game.

(And for what its worth, Sonic 1 is easily my favorite of the series.)
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