First SF4, now Tekken is iPhone-bound

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msimplay wrote:
17DaysOlderThanNES wrote:
msimplay wrote: I remember playing Rayman and Ridge Racer on DS with touch screen analog control man what a nightmare that was I can't imagine the Iphone being any better.

While I like some innovations with the touch screen sometimes the whole touch screen only thing seems a bit forced as for some things I just prefer normal buttons.
Touchscreen+stylus sucks, that's why. #1 the DS is a resistive touch screen, which blows, the iPhone is a capacitance based screen and is SOOO much better. #2 a racing game would likely be controlled with the accelerometers instead, quite nicely I might add. Rayman has an on-screen joystick but you use it just like you would a PSP sliding joystick (though actually better, I can't stand that stick nub). I mean, you're looking right at the screen, so it's not like you're going to go for the D-pad and detonate the nuclear warheads by accident. Don't judge the iPhone based on a bad experience with the piece of shit DS.
Stop being a zealot I told ya I don't like touch screens and I have tried the Iphone.

Sometimes buttons are better for the job when you can forget about the controls and play the game is when the controls are considered good I personally find I'm much more concious about the controls when I can't actually feel them.
did you even read? your racing game citation was addressed: iPhone would use accelerometers. The iPhone actually does accelerometer-based gameplay better than the Wii.

I'm not being a "zealot," but don't hate the iPhone on a false pretense.
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17DaysOlderThanNES wrote: did you even read? your racing game citation was addressed: iPhone would use accelerometers. The iPhone actually does accelerometer-based gameplay better than the Wii.

I'm not being a "zealot," but don't hate the iPhone on a false pretense.
Lol @ False pretence haha what you the Iphone preacher and Apple is your religion or something ?

You not reading actually I told you I've tried the Iphone and I don't like it what more you want from me ?

Btw my experiences with the DS haven't been bad they have actually been good for games designed for touch screen but damn it some games I prefer buttons on what part of that don't you understand ?

I told you I prefer the feel of buttons why you trying to shove Iphone down my throat for ?

I'm not quite sure accelerometer based game play is but I think you are talking about the Wii motion control.
Well that's lovely but I'm not too keen on the whole screen tilting just to control the game.
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Wow, you have no clue about any of this, still, I don't know if I should even bother if you're that hellbent on condemning the iPhone.
msimplay wrote:
17DaysOlderThanNES wrote: did you even read? your racing game citation was addressed: iPhone would use accelerometers. The iPhone actually does accelerometer-based gameplay better than the Wii.

I'm not being a "zealot," but don't hate the iPhone on a false pretense.
Lol @ False pretence haha what you the Iphone preacher and Apple is your religion or something ?
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Seriously though, I don't support products on a whim, me supporting the iPhone like I do means it is a badass f'n device. Plus, Apple is like the one corporation that doesn't scam people and actually cares about innovation and quality (unlike, you know, RROD-osoft).
msimplay wrote: You not reading actually I told you I've tried the Iphone and I don't like it what more you want from me ?
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msimplay wrote: Btw my experiences with the DS haven't been bad they have actually been good for games designed for touch screen but damn it some games I prefer buttons on what part of that don't you understand ?
So there are no games designed specifically for the iPhone? So do you like touch screens or not? You flip flop worse than John Kerry. Did you know there are more developers embracing the iPhone than the DS and PSP combined? better take another look.

You know what? I like physical buttons too, especially for old games that were designed for them, but the iPhone is a NEW platform that offers a NEW experience, is that not worth looking into? Everyone seemed to jump on the Wii with all of its overpriced wacky waggle nonsense (worst purchase of my life), but no one seems to want to embrace the iPhone/iPod Touch that did it better and added a multi-touch touchscreen to boot.
msimplay wrote: I told you I prefer the feel of buttons why you trying to shove Iphone down my throat for ?
Again, for games that are designed like that, i understand and agree, that's why I have a PSP for emulators (since there isn't a damn thing worth playing in the real PSP library that isn't a remake or PS2 port).
msimplay wrote: I'm not quite sure accelerometer based game play is but I think you are talking about the Wii motion control.
Well that's lovely but I'm not too keen on the whole screen tilting just to control the game.
The screen tilts according to your angle. In other words, the actual image stays level while you tilt the phone, making it every easy to play. Think of a small fish tank filled halfway with water, you know how the surface of the water always stays parallel to the ground? same premise. The iPhone is a very intelligently designed and well thought out device.

Finally, the reason I am defending the iPhone is because this is a *gasp* iPhone-related thread and, as usual, everyone is just shitting on the iPhone "CuZ iT AIn'T nO VIdYa GaMe SYzTem!" when that's not true. Furthermore, it's not like people have played all of the good iPhone games and THEN made a judgement, everyone just played whatever crap their friend had on theirs for 5 minutes and said "blech, gross, f this!". Well, cool, let me play Nintendogs and then declare a DS a stupid system for girls.

Again, my ultra-list of good games:

http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showpost.p ... stcount=33

I know it says banned, lol, but some dude was insulting my job and it was totally worth it, it's only for 2 weeks.
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Instead of responding to every one of your points, I'm going to pick a few, and one that seems to keep popping up.
17DaysOlderThanNES wrote: If you don't want a smartphone, fine, but don't go running off about how your DS is better.
I think you just don't know shit about the iPhone yet feel confident in saying it's an inadequate game platform.
When did I say anything about the iPhone as a gaming platform? Do you even know what you're bitching at me about?
Which also leaves out a number of features the iphone has, most notably a multi-touch touch screen.
The n900 has features the iPhone doesn't and vice-versa. If you're going to try to argue features, let's argue about Fords vs. Chevys too.
and what download service doesn't?
Music services such as Napster and Amazon have no DRM or have recently abandoned DRM.
QD, and yes, it was the best phone I had ever used up until the iPhone 3GS. The call clarity was amazing, the reception was better than anyone else's phone (i'd get service when everyone else had none), the emulation was f'n awesome, it was a great phone.
Even though this post about the N-Gage was good, I'll post this anyway:
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says every iphone owner. Go to a mac forum and ask if they want a stylus, you'll get a resounding "NO!"
Not every iPhone user goes on a Mac Forum.
must've looked real hard the first time :roll:
Last time I looked was when the iPhone was still new. Also, I wasn't talking about the availability of the styli, I was talking about how the iPhone touch screen reduces the number of choices.
then why did you even post it?
Because this is a laid-back forum, it's not like we were seriously debating anything.
and I've disproved all of them.
No you fucking didn't. For my first two points you even said that they were true and tried to excuse them.

Feel free to keep bitching about the iPhone, calling me a retard who doesn't know jack shit (without disproving me), and continue that superiority bullshit complex, but until you prove this:
17DaysOlderThanNES wrote: everyone that has an iPhone loves it, everyone that doesn't hates it.
Good day.
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GSZX1337 wrote:Instead of responding to every one of your points, I'm going to pick a few, and one that seems to keep popping up.
17DaysOlderThanNES wrote: If you don't want a smartphone, fine, but don't go running off about how your DS is better.
I think you just don't know shit about the iPhone yet feel confident in saying it's an inadequate game platform.
When did I say anything about the iPhone as a gaming platform? Do you even know what you're bitching at me about?
All I was saying there is that just because it's a smartphone doesn't mean it's not a game platform, as most people imply that's the sole reason an iPhone isn't a game system. If you never meant to imply that, point taken.
GSZX1337 wrote:
Which also leaves out a number of features the iphone has, most notably a multi-touch touch screen.
The n900 has features the iPhone doesn't and vice-versa. If you're going to try to argue features, let's argue about Fords vs. Chevys too.
Hey, you said N900 is the shit because it has flash and iPhone doesn't, I pointed out the iPhone has stuff the N900 doesn't. Does a phone have to do EVERYTHING to be acceptable? As I already stated, most websites have a mobile version JUST for the iPhone. But no, it doesn't have flash, that makes it horrible, right?
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and what download service doesn't?
Music services such as Napster and Amazon have no DRM or have recently abandoned DRM.
YOU SAID THE APP STORE! The App store sells APPS. You could put Amazon music on your iPhone, what's stopping you? Like I said, I have nothing but bootleg MP3s on my iPhone, so what are you even talking about? My iPhone is bone stock too, it's not jailbroken.

When Amazon starts selling DRM-free iPhone APPS, let me know.
GSZX1337 wrote:
QD, and yes, it was the best phone I had ever used up until the iPhone 3GS. The call clarity was amazing, the reception was better than anyone else's phone (i'd get service when everyone else had none), the emulation was f'n awesome, it was a great phone.
Even though this post about the N-Gage was good, I'll post this anyway:
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Like I bolded, QD:
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QD was a normal side-talking phone and fixed a number of other N-Gage issues like size, cost, button placement/quality, etc.

So yeah, your douched out comic really makes alot of sense :roll:

GSZX1337 wrote:
says every iphone owner. Go to a mac forum and ask if they want a stylus, you'll get a resounding "NO!"
Not every iPhone user goes on a Mac Forum.
But the most hardcore of users do, which is where you would find people complaining about the lack of a stylus. The whole thing was designed around the use of fingers, as stylus is not needed, AT. ALL. This isn't an opinion, the only people that use a stylus are people that regularly use it outdoors in cold weather and don't want to wear special gloves or fingerless gloves. Most games and apps wouldn't even be possible to use properly with a stylus. Getting rid of the stylus is one of the best things about the iPhone IMO. If you have some creepy stylus fetish, be my guest, but stop arguing that point as a mark against the iPhone because no one else seems to have a problem with it.
GSZX1337 wrote:
must've looked real hard the first time :roll:
Last time I looked was when the iPhone was still new. Also, I wasn't talking about the availability of the styli, I was talking about how the iPhone touch screen reduces the number of choices.
Of course it's going to be hard to find when it's brand new. Again, the screen was designed for finger use and does it brilliantly. I know people with fingers that are fat as shit that use an iPhone no problem without a stylus. In fact, they're better with the iPhone than they are with a regular computer keyboard as far as unintended input is concerned. Unless you need a dialing wand to dial a phone, you don't need a stylus.

If you aren't clear on it, you can only hit 1 key per finger. If you're typing, you can't just hit "gh" with one tap, it's either going to type "g" or "h", whichever your finger is most covering. This is for all button presses. If too much surface area hits the keyboard, say, your palm, it simply won't type anything. Again, it's a very intelligent OS and if you actually used it enough to know WTF you were talking about, you would know that, but you haven't so you don't. Keep blowing smoke out of your ass though, you seem to enjoy it.
GSZX1337 wrote:
then why did you even post it?
Because this is a laid-back forum, it's not like we were seriously debating anything.
if it's so laid back, why does someone jump up my ass no matter what I say, and even worse, do so with completely illogical unfounded nonsense because apparently they don't know what a "google search" is?
GSZX1337 wrote:
and I've disproved all of them.
No you fucking didn't. For my first two points you even said that they were true and tried to excuse them.
Um, I kinda did: doesn't need flash because an ever-increasing number of websites make custom mobile sites catering to the iPhone that are better than the PC flash version. I mean, if they replace an inefficient crappy method with a better one, that makes it inferior? Are you next going to tell me the iPhone sucks because it lacks a 9-pin serial port?

DRM is only on the Apps. iTunes may have DRM, but who gives a shit? my phone is full of bootleg music and movies without any jailbreaking or hacking required. I could give a shit about iTunes, I'm not supporting or defending them. Any app on any phone has DRM. Again, how about you know WTF you're talking about before running your mouth?
GSZX1337 wrote: Feel free to keep bitching about the iPhone, calling me a retard who doesn't know jack shit (without disproving me), and continue that superiority bullshit complex, but until you prove this:

17DaysOlderThanNES wrote: everyone that has an iPhone loves it, everyone that doesn't hates it.
Good day.
The only people I've heard complain were people that literally never downloaded a single app outside of what the phone came with and mostly complained about how much it was to replace when they lost their phone or broke it from dropping it or throwing it around. So, I guess exclude irresponsible dipshits and then my statement becomes true.
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17DaysOlderThanNES wrote: Again, my ultra-list of good games:

http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showpost.p ... stcount=33

I know it says banned, lol, but some dude was insulting my job and it was totally worth it, it's only for 2 weeks.
Nothing on the Iphone appeals to me at the moment. I've seen your list and its a list of games that traditionally would be using button controls , shooters , platformers and fighting games and I don't want to play them with the touchscreen.
That's why I said in an earlier post that the whole touch screen thing on some games feels forced.

Although from a developer standpoint there's a vast array of Iphone / Ipod users in the cellphone market ready to be tapped into it makes good business sense to make games for it. Apple must have some cheap licencing deal because I've seen games really cheap on it.

However going back to the thread topic seriously do you even like Street Fighter 4 ?
How can you seriously think that the game would translate well onto a touch screen :lol:
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msimplay wrote:
17DaysOlderThanNES wrote: Again, my ultra-list of good games:

http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showpost.p ... stcount=33

I know it says banned, lol, but some dude was insulting my job and it was totally worth it, it's only for 2 weeks.
Nothing on the Iphone appeals to me at the moment. I've seen your list and its a list of games that traditionally would be using button controls , shooters , platformers and fighting games and I don't want to play them with the touchscreen.
That's why I said in an earlier post that the whole touch screen thing on some games feels forced.

Although from a developer standpoint there's a vast array of Iphone / Ipod users in the cellphone market ready to be tapped into it makes good business sense to make games for it. Apple must have some cheap licencing deal because I've seen games really cheap on it.

However going back to the thread topic seriously do you even like Street Fighter 4 ?
How can you seriously think that the game would translate well onto a touch screen :lol:
Well, lets see, I have SF IV and I have no problems with it. I've already beaten it on Hard.

For the 10342342345425 time, you have to use an iPhone to an appreciable extent before knowing WTF you're talking about. The iPhone is not a typical touch screen, in fact, I'm not sure anyone is using the same technology that Apple is.

Look, if all of you are just going to sit there and go "durr durr durr I ain't used no tuch scran befo, so I'm gunna say its juwnk", then I'm done here.

iPhone owners know what it can do, ask any of them if you don't believe me (excluding the jackasses that buy one and then do nothing but text on it and don't even know the App store exists).
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I've had an iphone since the first one came out. I use it on a regularly basis for gaming but the games that have on screen dpads/joypad replacements just aren't as playable as an equivalent game that uses a real joypad. Even Chinatown Wars, which is the closest anybody has got to a properly useful touch controls still plays better on the DS. I can forgive it because of it's low low price point and PSP quality graphics.

It just isn't a replacement for a real dpad. For the games that don't require a dpad it is perfectly fine, like bejeweled, Plants Vs Zombies (it plays better than the PC version due to the instantaneous input of a multi-touch screen) Broken Sword/BASS (a few interface niggles at first but once you get used to it it's fine, I had the same problems with the DS version, although thanks to stylus it was a little more precise). It's mostly casual games that work well on the device, 'core' (god I hate that monicker) games tend to fair pretty poorly, thanks to the lack of a dpad. If the iphone had a dpad, it would be completely unbeatable. The lack of dpad/physical input and the poor battery life (If I don't play any games on my iphone and use it just as a phone/email device then I'm lucky to get 3 days out of the battery, half that if I play the odd bit of broken sword while I'm waiting) just kills it dead as far as a serious gaming device is concerned. Don't get me wrong, I love my iPhone, I can't imagine any other phone being easier to use and just plain useful as the iPhone, but gaming just isn't viable on the device until they sort out the battery life of it. My N95 (which is known to have terrible battery life) would last me a week on a full charge every single week until I traded it in for an iPhone. My fiancée's Blackberry Curve 8900 runs for a couple of weeks before conking out, 48 hours on average is just terrible life. If I played Bejewelled for a couple of hours, my battery would go from 100% to about 15%. That's just not acceptable for a gaming device. If I play my DS for a couple of days non-stop I'd still have a trickle left in the battery to get a few levels in Puzzle Quest.
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17DaysOlderThanNES wrote:
msimplay wrote:
17DaysOlderThanNES wrote: Again, my ultra-list of good games:

http://www.sega-16.com/forum/showpost.p ... stcount=33

I know it says banned, lol, but some dude was insulting my job and it was totally worth it, it's only for 2 weeks.
Nothing on the Iphone appeals to me at the moment. I've seen your list and its a list of games that traditionally would be using button controls , shooters , platformers and fighting games and I don't want to play them with the touchscreen.
That's why I said in an earlier post that the whole touch screen thing on some games feels forced.

Although from a developer standpoint there's a vast array of Iphone / Ipod users in the cellphone market ready to be tapped into it makes good business sense to make games for it. Apple must have some cheap licencing deal because I've seen games really cheap on it.

However going back to the thread topic seriously do you even like Street Fighter 4 ?
How can you seriously think that the game would translate well onto a touch screen :lol:
Well, lets see, I have SF IV and I have no problems with it. I've already beaten it on Hard.

For the 10342342345425 time, you have to use an iPhone to an appreciable extent before knowing WTF you're talking about. The iPhone is not a typical touch screen, in fact, I'm not sure anyone is using the same technology that Apple is.

Look, if all of you are just going to sit there and go "durr durr durr I ain't used no tuch scran befo, so I'm gunna say its juwnk", then I'm done here.

iPhone owners know what it can do, ask any of them if you don't believe me (excluding the jackasses that buy one and then do nothing but text on it and don't even know the App store exists).

Blahhhhh that's all you are saying now.
You like Iphone that's fine but don't force your opinion on others to just because you do.
Street Fighter IV on touch screen NO THANK YOU :)
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