Best Next-Gen System

[CRTGAMER]

My son's PS3 is still down waiting for YLOD repair warranty shipping box from Sony. As an interim he has a 360 on loan from a very good friend. Not sure if he just likes the PS3 better, but he did point out something noticed. He is obsessed with Warfare 2 online and has noticed the 360 version tends to lag more then PS3. Its not the connection, both consoles use the same identical Ethernet connection. His interpretation is that on the 360 when one player's connection is lagging the entire game lags down to compensate. On the PS3 that one player lagging just loses frame rate but doesn't bog down everyone else on a particular online level.

Son maybe biased or not, from my end typing this, doesn't matter.
I prefer the older non-firmware issue consoles.

[Jrecee]

Why I don't have a PS3:

Insanely priced at launch
I bought a 360 (for $400 in fall 2006)
Even after PS3 dropped to $400, I couldn't justify buying a second $400 console
Blu-ray capability didn't sway me because of the cost of discs
Exclusives. Don't care about any of the FPS exclusives. They do have some good exclusives now, but I can't justify a $300 purchase to play the 4 or 5 games that I'd want.

I will buy a PS3 when it goes down to $249 and a new Jak and Daxter game comes out, or when I see blu-rays going for the same price as DVDs.

[17DaysOlderThanNES]

While PS3 lives on for its 10+ year lifespan (Sony always keeps systems for 10 years unless they change their policy) with free online play, you'll still be bleeding money with your XBOX 360.

10 years? You mean my console can actully live for 10 years! Oh the irony, YLOD and RROD.

Sorry had to say that.

You will never convince me YLOD is even CLOSE to RROD. I used to do console repair and I literally made a living fixing almost nothing but RROD (I would say 9/10 repairs was RROD) Besides, the Slim PS3s have been nothing but solid thus far.

yeah, but you can use USB controllers and PS2 controllers (which many already have), so depending on what you're playing, the pack in controller is enough. At least you have the option of using cheaper 3rd party controllers on the PS3 also, on 360 it's only what Microsoft blesses, which isn't much.

And Sony did a crappy job of advertising this fact. But besides, people want a shiny, new toy to play with a shiny new controller, not a shiny new toy to plug in with their crusty, greasy old controller.

I agree, Sony did an absolute shit job advertising the PS3 in every possible regard. Most of the commercials just had the PS3 floating in a room, I bet some people didn't even know it was a video game system. Even now it's a shitty advertising campaign. If Sony would've just thrown down the list of advantages I did they would've swayed alot more people.

As for the "shiny new controller," that's the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Why would I want to buy another controller that is virtually identical to stockpiles I already have? I know alot of people had that mentality, but that is ridiculously stupid. If your controllers are crusty and greasy, you need to stop eating a bowl of burrito casserole while you play your games.

Most new console buyers don't think that far ahead and don't expect to still be playing the same console in ten years.

you're right, they didn't think ahead, if they did, they'd be playing PS3s and PS3 would be getting all of the great new exclusives. The PS3 capabilities haven't even really been touched on yet, it will still be totally relevant in 10 years.

That's pretty ridiculous. If you already have a PS2 then forcing you to pay an extra $100 to buy another one that happens to be in the same case as the PS3 is not particularly attractive.

Well, they had a base model that didn't have that functionality, it's just an option. PS2 enabled PS3s were the hottest thing on the internet before YLOD. I think they should offer a PS2 module for people like me that want PS2 capability without having to have a seperate slim. However, I can just do what someone at a store did and mount it on the wall behind the TV.

BluRay just hasn't taken off. People don't think they need it, and they don't appreciate the higher quality, so it shouldn't be surprising that they don't want to pay extra for it.

BluRay also allows for more game data, that's the real reason, it's not just an afterthought. There's no real reason not to buy Blu Ray instead if you have an HDTV, especially for action movies. DVD didn't take off immediately either. At least it's not a $200 paperweight like the HD DVD add on for 360.

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I think that another important concept is that features do not necessarily equate to entertainment. Looking at the PS3s starting lineup, most people thought "Well, why would I pay $600 just so that I can play Far Cry?". The starting lineup on the PS3 was pretty weak, and again Sony didn't start busting out larger numbers of quality titles until about a year ago.

What about the 360 lineup? I knew a bunch of people that jumped on the bandwagon at launch and were ready to sell their system after the first year because there was nothing but shit for it.



The only reasons I can see for buying a 360 over PS3 is horrendous shortsighted-ness and poor economic skills, which led to a "all of my friends have it, so I'll get one to play online with them" domino effect. F-that, I'll never pay more than $20 for an XBOX 360, I don't want something that works for a month and then RRODs. RROD isn't always fixable you know, about 1/6 of the systems that came in to Play N Trade were variations of RROD that weren't fixable with the standard screw and washer fix (or any reasonable fix for that matter). Worst junk hardware on the planet. The controller sucks ass too.

[Niode]

Fanboy whinge

Can we get back on topic please? This isn't about what is the better console, this is a discussion on what Sony did wrong and why.

[the7k]

A lot of my students own a 360, the ones that don't, don't own any console apart from a DS. I asked a few of them about the wireless and it's just not an issue. They either have it near a router, they don't go online (it's not a requirement to go online with this system, a lot of you seem to forget that) or they have it hooked up to their laptop with ICS. I don't think I have a single student that doesn't have at least a netbook these days so it's trivial to get a wireless connection cheaply on the 360.

You're asking STUDENTS! Of course it's not going to be an issue! How many students do you know that own their own home? They either have all of their stuff in their own room because they're living with their parents (thus, close proximity to their PCs/Routers/etc.) or they live in a cramped dormitory where, again, everything is in close proximity because they have no space.

All the people I know have their entertainment centers in their living rooms and their computers in their bedrooms or studies. As such, wireless is an issue for them because having a mess of wires all over their house is just one step short of an electrical fire.

[Dylan]

What about the 360 lineup? I knew a bunch of people that jumped on the bandwagon at launch and were ready to sell their system after the first year because there was nothing but shit for it.

The 360's lineup was irrelevant by the time the PS3 came out, because it had already established a library of games over the years.

The only reasons I can see for buying a 360 over PS3 is horrendous shortsighted-ness and poor economic skills, which led to a "all of my friends have it, so I'll get one to play online with them" domino effect. F-that, I'll never pay more than $20 for an XBOX 360, I don't want something that works for a month and then RRODs. RROD isn't always fixable you know, about 1/6 of the systems that came in to Play N Trade were variations of RROD that weren't fixable with the standard screw and washer fix (or any reasonable fix for that matter). Worst junk hardware on the planet. The controller sucks ass too.

You're starting to sound pretty fanboyish around here. There's a lot more to a console than hardware, and criticizing things like the controller disregards the factor of personal taste (something which gets ignored often in these types of arguments). I would also be careful about the blatant criticism directed at the 360's user base you're throwing around, it makes you look fanboyish.

[dsheinem]

Fanboy whinge

Can we get back on topic please? This isn't about what is the better console, this is a discussion on what Sony did wrong and why.

Right on. I'm getting an urge to send this thread to the wasteland that is: http://www.racketboy.com/forum/viewtopi ... 15&t=17422

[Jrecee]

BluRay also allows for more game data, that's the real reason, it's not just an afterthought. There's no real reason not to buy Blu Ray instead if you have an HDTV, especially for action movies. DVD didn't take off immediately either. At least it's not a $200 paperweight like the HD DVD add on for 360.

DVD was introduced spring 1997. The PS2 came out October 2000. About 3 and a half years later. Within 2 years of that, VHS tapes were becoming very hard to find. We're 4 years into the life of blu-ray, and the DVD section at best buy, wal-mart, target, etc. is still far bigger than the blu-ray section, which is usually reduced to one aisle.

There is a real reason not to buy blu ray even if I have an HDTV: $$$.

[the7k]

DVD was introduced spring 1997. The PS2 came out October 2000. About 3 and a half years later. Within 2 years of that, VHS tapes were becoming very hard to find. We're 4 years into the life of blu-ray, and the DVD section at best buy, wal-mart, target, etc. is still far bigger than the blu-ray section, which is usually reduced to one aisle.

There is a real reason not to buy blu ray even if I have an HDTV: $$$.

Aside from the first Blu-Ray I bought (Paprika), I never spent a lot more on a Blu-Ray than I did on a DVD back when DVD was the only option. Yes, Best Buy charges out the ass for them, but it's freaking Best Buy. What the hell do you expect?

I got the complete Samurai Champloo Collection on Blu-Ray for $38. I got Ghost In The Shell 2.0 on Blu-Ray for $12. Boondock Saints on Blu-Ray was $10. Ocean's Eleven cost me $7 on Blu-Ray. You can't beat these damn deals with a stick.

Sure, Blu-Rays were expensive as hell for the first 2 years, but they've come down A LOT in the past year. You just gotta know where to look.

[emwearz]

You're asking STUDENTS! Of course it's not going to be an issue! How many students do you know that own their own home? They either have all of their stuff in their own room because they're living with their parents (thus, close proximity to their PCs/Routers/etc.) or they live in a cramped dormitory where, again, everything is in close proximity because they have no space.

I dont live with my parents or in a dorm. My girlfriend and myself rent a 2 bedroom house (On of which is pretty much a lounge/game room) and we are both students. Not really valid but wanted to break the stereotyping a bit.