17DaysOlderThanNES wrote:Oh, and I'm not a "PS3 fanboy" either
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Sony's biggest mistake was integrating everything from a music player to an ass scratching laser to the PSP and PS3 inflating their production cost. (Seriously? $250 for a portable?)
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17DaysOlderThanNES wrote:Oh, and I'm not a "PS3 fanboy" either, I don't own a PS3 or XBOX 360, I made the worst mistake of my life and bought a Wii, and that piece of shit is what made me start retro collecting while I waited for the PS3 to amass enough games to make it worth my while.
Apparently you haven't played any of the better Wii games then...
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17DaysOlderThanNES wrote:I don't think Sony did anything wrong, I think short-sighted consumers lacked the foresight to see that PS3 was ultimately the better value.
Eh, I don't know about blaming a products lack of appeal on the consumers. The PS3 was a pretty unattractive product when it first came out, with an exceedingly high price tag and a lack of substantial launch titles. Heck, until about a year ago the PS3 didn't have a whole lot to offer in general.
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swiftzx wrote:17DaysOlderThanNES wrote:Oh, and I'm not a "PS3 fanboy" either, I don't own a PS3 or XBOX 360, I made the worst mistake of my life and bought a Wii, and that piece of shit is what made me start retro collecting while I waited for the PS3 to amass enough games to make it worth my while.
Apparently you haven't played any of the better Wii games then...
Yes, I have New Super Mario Bros. Wii...that's one. The main thing is the value is awful on most of the games. A $50 Wii game is comparable in length and content to a $5 iPhone game and that's just completely unacceptable.
Dylan wrote:17DaysOlderThanNES wrote:I don't think Sony did anything wrong, I think short-sighted consumers lacked the foresight to see that PS3 was ultimately the better value.
Eh, I don't know about blaming a products lack of appeal on the consumers. The PS3 was a pretty unattractive product when it first came out, with an exceedingly high price tag and a lack of substantial launch titles. Heck, until about a year ago the PS3 didn't have a whole lot to offer in general.
It had alot of potential though, potential that would've been further realized if people supported it and saved up for one instead of going "durr, XBOX is chEaPur!" only to realize they had to spend more than the cost of the system to just get it to playable condition (controllers, hard drive, XBOX Live, Wi-Fi, etc.). What I really don't get is people that claim PS3 costs too much and then buy the XBOX 360 elite that costs MORE to get it equally equipped to a PS3. W.T.F.
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17DaysOlderThanNES wrote:It had alot of potential though, potential that would've been further realized if people supported it and saved up for one instead of going "durr, XBOX is chEaPur!" only to realize they had to spend more than the cost of the system to just get it to playable condition (controllers, hard drive, XBOX Live, Wi-Fi, etc.). What I really don't get is people that claim PS3 costs too much and then buy the XBOX 360 elite that costs MORE to get it equally equipped to a PS3. W.T.F.
Well, you have to buy controllers for the PS3 too.
You're overestimating the cost of a working 360. Most people I know purchased the console with a controller and hard drive for $400, and then bought Live for $50 (at launch). Very few people bother with anything else you've mentioned.
Another important factor is that by the time the PS3 came out, the 360 wasn't at launch price anymore. You could get one for $300 easily, compared to the $600 cost of a PS3, at which point paying an extra $50 for Live didn't seem so bad. Many people decided to put the extra $250 towards games, or just back in their pocket.
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Re: So what has been Sony's real mistake?
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pepharytheworm wrote:You know you're popular when you're quoted a lot.
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Re: So what has been Sony's real mistake?
Major Problems
1) Advertising. It was atrocious. It never said anything about the software... or hardware, for that matter. It was just confusing, esoteric bullcrap.
2) $600 price tag. No system has ever succeeded at such a high price tag.
3) Lack of worthwhile exclusives. Pretty much everything on the PS3 was also on the Xbox 360.
Minor Problems
1) Loss of backwards compatibility. In fact, I'd say that dropping backwards compatibility was a smart move. It's only useful for getting someone interested in a new system, and the $600 price tag was putting off far more people than backwards compatibility was bringing in. After dropping BC, the price also dropped, and people finally started taking it seriously.
2) Loss of OtherOS. By and large, most of the people using the OtherOS functions were military organizations, research organizations and other groups that obviously weren't going to buy games for it. So, they lose money on selling the system and they don't make the money back with game sales - all for the sake of having a function that less than 1% of its user-base gave a shit about.
Hell, I'm the only person I know that used OtherOS (mostly just to download torrents), and even I didn't care too much that it didn't come back for the PS3 Slim.
3) Leap Year bug. Oh noes, a system error that will affect me one day out of every four years! My God! What will I possibly do on that one day?
Sony's shaped up a lot since that awful launch year. They got great exclusives, a great price, and great advertising. Pretty much, the only reason I can see for any more hate to be thrown at the PS3 is if you have an enormous amount of hate for a piece of consumer electronics... or an enormous amount of love for a rival piece of consumer electronics.
1) Advertising. It was atrocious. It never said anything about the software... or hardware, for that matter. It was just confusing, esoteric bullcrap.
2) $600 price tag. No system has ever succeeded at such a high price tag.
3) Lack of worthwhile exclusives. Pretty much everything on the PS3 was also on the Xbox 360.
Minor Problems
1) Loss of backwards compatibility. In fact, I'd say that dropping backwards compatibility was a smart move. It's only useful for getting someone interested in a new system, and the $600 price tag was putting off far more people than backwards compatibility was bringing in. After dropping BC, the price also dropped, and people finally started taking it seriously.
2) Loss of OtherOS. By and large, most of the people using the OtherOS functions were military organizations, research organizations and other groups that obviously weren't going to buy games for it. So, they lose money on selling the system and they don't make the money back with game sales - all for the sake of having a function that less than 1% of its user-base gave a shit about.
Hell, I'm the only person I know that used OtherOS (mostly just to download torrents), and even I didn't care too much that it didn't come back for the PS3 Slim.
3) Leap Year bug. Oh noes, a system error that will affect me one day out of every four years! My God! What will I possibly do on that one day?
Sony's shaped up a lot since that awful launch year. They got great exclusives, a great price, and great advertising. Pretty much, the only reason I can see for any more hate to be thrown at the PS3 is if you have an enormous amount of hate for a piece of consumer electronics... or an enormous amount of love for a rival piece of consumer electronics.
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OK, back at the original poster, is the main topic mainly concerned with what Sony did wrong with PS3 in the beginning? Or other mishandle business decisions as well?
For now, Blu-ray is catching up, most of my buddies do have a Blu-ray player, even though they also have X360 (not me!). Keep in mind, when DVD's came out ten years ago, they were price around USD $25 for new releases around major retail stores, it is because of longer production period that prices have drop down (how many do remember the choice between normal and wide-screen?). This is a much better outcome than Betamax and Mini-disc. Just watch BBC Planet Earth on Blu-ray on a Samsung LCD HDTV (Sony isn't the king of HDTV!), and you'll know.
The gradual lost of BC, from have an Emotion engine to software emulation to none at all, was a bit downer for me. But let's ask ourselves, exactly how many of us used the PS2 to play PS1 games? Truth be told, right after we got PS1, my family stopped playing the SNES (don't know where it is now), and when we got PS2, what happened to the PS1 and the games? They got stored somewhere else. BTW, what is the latest on Sony patented Emotion Engine Emulator (EEE/3E)?
The launch of PS3 was the one of the most disappointing within the last decade, at USD $600, that did take a huge chunk out of me when I had to buy one for someone. The Sixaxis wasn't a deal breaker for me, especially when Sony lost the vibration feature was a bigger issue for me. The launch titles weren't very attract to me (I'm no fan of FPS), and looking back, Dreamcast US release actually was the best one.
However that was in the past, if we looked at last year, Sony did all the right things. And if anyone is having any doubts in the currently three consoles, it should be Wii; if you are reading any gaming industry reports, 3rd parties are mostly likely to loss money on Wii, granted it is the highest selling console of all three. And Wii is the least technical advance of the three, and all it did was having a great launch success, so Nintendo has to come out with a successor very soon.
Not dis all SEGA fans, unless someone is willing to toss-in at least USD $200 million to them (for no returns at all!), there will be no new consoles from SEGA. Face the harsh truth, gaming industry is billion-dollar business, that's why we have EA (evil association) owning many of the games we play. What SEGA fans should be hoping for, is the continue release of high-quality games, and bring back fan favorites. I would like to see Panzer Dragoon done in HD, or racing against other players on-line in Crazy Taxi.
For now, Blu-ray is catching up, most of my buddies do have a Blu-ray player, even though they also have X360 (not me!). Keep in mind, when DVD's came out ten years ago, they were price around USD $25 for new releases around major retail stores, it is because of longer production period that prices have drop down (how many do remember the choice between normal and wide-screen?). This is a much better outcome than Betamax and Mini-disc. Just watch BBC Planet Earth on Blu-ray on a Samsung LCD HDTV (Sony isn't the king of HDTV!), and you'll know.
The gradual lost of BC, from have an Emotion engine to software emulation to none at all, was a bit downer for me. But let's ask ourselves, exactly how many of us used the PS2 to play PS1 games? Truth be told, right after we got PS1, my family stopped playing the SNES (don't know where it is now), and when we got PS2, what happened to the PS1 and the games? They got stored somewhere else. BTW, what is the latest on Sony patented Emotion Engine Emulator (EEE/3E)?
The launch of PS3 was the one of the most disappointing within the last decade, at USD $600, that did take a huge chunk out of me when I had to buy one for someone. The Sixaxis wasn't a deal breaker for me, especially when Sony lost the vibration feature was a bigger issue for me. The launch titles weren't very attract to me (I'm no fan of FPS), and looking back, Dreamcast US release actually was the best one.
However that was in the past, if we looked at last year, Sony did all the right things. And if anyone is having any doubts in the currently three consoles, it should be Wii; if you are reading any gaming industry reports, 3rd parties are mostly likely to loss money on Wii, granted it is the highest selling console of all three. And Wii is the least technical advance of the three, and all it did was having a great launch success, so Nintendo has to come out with a successor very soon.
newt42 wrote:I'd laugh if Sega ever came back to knock Sony off their perch the same way Sony did to the Dreamcast. CORPORATE REVENGE
Not dis all SEGA fans, unless someone is willing to toss-in at least USD $200 million to them (for no returns at all!), there will be no new consoles from SEGA. Face the harsh truth, gaming industry is billion-dollar business, that's why we have EA (evil association) owning many of the games we play. What SEGA fans should be hoping for, is the continue release of high-quality games, and bring back fan favorites. I would like to see Panzer Dragoon done in HD, or racing against other players on-line in Crazy Taxi.
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Not enough 'must haves' for the average gamer in its first year. I had PS3 a month after launch and the only game I owned for a full year was Resistance. As much as people want to write off the hardcore market and its importance, it plays a huge role in stirring up hype/critical acclaim for systems and games, especially now that so many people use the internet. PS3 just wasn't getting it. It has been lately though, and things are looking a lot better in PS3's future. But the market share is unrecoverable at this point.